Would anyone go 50 Scythe here? Do you actually think with how high Blocks are that you will get to the 5th style in a 5 style chain? or is 44 Scythe enough and what most do?

Would it be better to crank up Parry instead?

There is no 5 style chain atm. Level 50 style is after detaunt and does quite insane damage so it's a must have.
But valewalkers are still severely nerfed on uthgard because of the ridiculous supports block rates and the variance on style procs. And of course 1.69/old RAs will make things even worse for VWs while no one fixes those bugs ^^

Drakons20 wrote:Would anyone go 50 Scythe here? Do you actually think with how high Blocks are that you will get to the 5th style in a 5 style chain? or is 44 Scythe enough and what most do?

Would it be better to crank up Parry instead?

Well.
There has never been a 5 hits chain is scythe line so you dont need to worry:)

And as Hedra said we still have after detaunt conflagration so 50 scythe is worth taking. Unfortunately because of ridiculous block rate and probably not working weap-skill bonus you will find yourself strafing and running-through like an idiot just to hit someone with back/side stun^^ So most fights end up without a single conflag proc.

Block rate for supporter has to be reviewed, that for sure - we know that (to review does not mean it is wrong - just for the record).

Would be new to me that there is a weaponskill bug? THere are still rumors about a 2handed-dmg-bug but lately Rector made some tests and proved, that it is all fine.

I would be very pleased if you'd stop talking about "class nerfs" when it's a general bug at best. We have not nerfed the valewalker, there may be a blockrate bug, thats the problem.

Thank you.

Camulos - Uthgard Staff

Camulos wrote:Block rate for supporter has to be reviewed, that for sure - we know that (to review does not mean it is wrong - just for the record).

Would be new to me that there is a weaponskill bug? THere are still rumors about a 2handed-dmg-bug but lately Rector made some tests and proved, that it is all fine.

I would be very pleased if you'd stop talking about "class nerfs" when it's a general bug at best. We have not nerfed the valewalker, there may be a blockrate bug, thats the problem.

Thank you.

Camulos - Uthgard Staff

I think by saying nerf Hedra means mostly how procs work atm. They worked more or less corectly before and are now totaly broken after changes...

And to the weap skill bug. Some ppl say that on uth it's the dmg stat that infuences your chance to penetrate defensive abilities and not the weap skill which results in almost no difference between tanks and lower weap skill classes. I have no prove for that but as i play my VW i start to belive them^^

Also on live vw has a very high miss rate due to his low weaponskill.

It got a boost for that reason later and they introduced the dragonscythe with weaponskill buff proc.

I stopped playing vw on live cause i couldnt bear the missrate.

So don't expect it to be a special uthgard vw nerf

Thalien wrote:Also on live vw has a very high miss rate due to his low weaponskill.

It got a boost for that reason later and they introduced the dragonscythe with weaponskill buff proc.

I stopped playing vw on live cause i couldnt bear the missrate.

So don't expect it to be a special uthgard vw nerf

Read carefully and then write^^

I'm not writing about miss rate but about penetrating defensive abilities. Weap skill has litte to nothing to do with miss rate.

Not to mention my VW has 1950 weap skill which i wouldnt call low:D

Well but think high supporter block rate goes for all tanks. This ofc needs a review.

Vw might be hurt the most since he has slow weapon, no to hit bonus on Conflag prequisite and the highest missrate.

Camulos wrote:I would be very pleased if you'd stop talking about "class nerfs" when it's a general bug at best. We have not nerfed the valewalker, there may be a blockrate bug, thats the problem.

By "nerfed" I meant they are weaker than they should because they are the most affected by those bugs. With this high blockrate people prefer to invite dual wielders instead of 2 hand chars and the proc damage is too random since a few months.

I didn't mean to say valewalkers were intentionally nerfed, sorry if it wasn't clear.

Camulos wrote:Would be new to me that there is a weaponskill bug? THere are still rumors about a 2handed-dmg-bug but lately Rector made some tests and proved, that it is all fine.

I believe he tested everything except basedamage?

Would be new to me that there is a weaponskill bug? THere are still rumors about a 2handed-dmg-bug but lately Rector made some tests and proved, that it is all fine.

I `m very surprised to hear that, if u have the opportunity I suggest that one of the gms repeat that tests on a live server as well.
The damage variances are strange you can also compare it with other high skilled-capped casts, 1hand styles, dual, etc. for sure and won `t find that large damage differences at same target.

I Played LW user since Daoc exists and cant remember that there was someday a problem to deal solid damage as well. Maybe I forgot a patch, that fixed weaponstyle-damage problems at live, that could be but I really doubt it just remember a patch that fixed weaponsytyles and that patch came really late at live.
Greetz

@Zarkor
Yes, as far as i know thats true - for more information talk to Rector himself.

@Jerrian
If there is a bug, we will work on it for sure (its not that we do want a wrong formula on uth - try to understand that). At the moment, according to Blue, the dmg formula used is livelike and correct. Rectors test's did prove that in the end (yes, Zarkor, i know, he did not test base dmg - i am sure he will do so in the future).
So, we will not do the same test again, since there has been no bug detected. Feel free to do more tests like Rector did and if you find something strange, i will not ignore that or you .

Always remember that there are many calculation formulas, none of them has been written down for the public by mythic. All uthgard calculation formulas are being criticized on a regular basis - some may still have minor or maybe even a major bug. But most of them are correct.

But we will not work on formulas where no bug has been found till now - the human "i remember it was XYZ" is not a reliable source. I hope you understand the situation for what it is. We are not ignoring you.

Camulos - Uthgard Staff

dont play VW...
incomplet - bugged class

- 150% variance on style proc
- no nature shield style (the style that make u able to block incoming arrows)

with the futur old RA + v1.69

- end of the conflag style (become after the 3rd evade style, so impossible to land on rvr)
- and so and so that make the vw hated class, ungrouped and useless on 8v8

maybe they will fix the proc with 1.69 and we will be able to do critical proc too, but it'll be too late...

Feuille wrote:dont play VW...
incomplet - bugged class

- 150% variance on style proc
- no nature shield style (the style that make u able to block incoming arrows)

with the futur old RA + v1.69

- end of the conflag style (become after the 3rd evade style, so impossible to land on rvr)
- and so and so that make the vw hated class, ungrouped and useless on 8v8

maybe they will fix the proc with 1.69 and we will be able to do critical proc too, but it'll be too late...

Do you think a duo bard+ VW is a decent setup with 1.69 and old RA? As a duo you dont need determination that much and if rooted you still have nice nukes.
I heard the Reaver proc damage is extremly high on Uthgard, so whats wrong with the VW procs?

Celteen wrote:I heard the Reaver proc damage is extremly high on Uthgard

Yes, reaver procs are really very high on uthgrad.