How can you judge on my experience on these classes just by mb setups?

MB never runs mentalist cause we don't run 3 caster setups and rarely enchs cause it's a class were lacking.

I played mentalist and i played/play ench/eld for years...all in those mentioned 2/3 Caster setups. What about you and baww telling us your hib toons and show what experience you got?

If you say ment is decent dps on 50% reisst your experience is zero. It's just the other way. Mentalist weakness is that you need an ench debuff for you. Against mids ench is better dps for sure and you always got an eld that can assist with you. It's unlikely for every caster to kill smth on their own. Esepecially not debuffed. If you don't get assist after debuff then the group is just bad or you didnt scream loud enough.

Eld/Ment works with toa yes, cause you got resi pierce dmg castspeed. But classic its different.

Mentalist doesn't need an ench to debuff for him. Mentalist just needs enough brains not to dump nukes on something that's getting chain healed. Mentalist is decent dps even against 50% resist yes, try nuking something that's not getting healed as a fullbuffed mentalist, you'll see. Oh wait you probably have since you've been "playing it for years". How did you fail to notice things like that ?Yes ench is better dps against but it has no group utility and a very power costly class, against a group with a decent healer(s) you'll quickly use all your power without doing anything.

And just admit that MB doesn't run caster setups because they're too hard and not that good on hibernia, that's mostly due to enchanters being considered a must-have.

I switched to eld/ench cause theyre better So you might be able to kill something that isn't getting healed, ok but an ench can do the same, even better considering the resists. Brainless nuke will burn your power on ment and ench. There's no difference. Utility wise both suck, not a big difference.

Enchanters aren't only to be considered a must have in caster groups, they are a must have. Mb doesn't run caster group cause of the lacking ench. And more then 2 casters is too weak anyways imo. We would run b d d hero bm eld ench bm/ward if we could and i had to decide.

I've seen good performing Hib Hybrid groups with eld ench here but i've yet to see a good performing eld/ment grp against a decent midgrp.

Did you ever try running a caster setup without enchanter ? I have plenty of times and I must say I didn't miss the enchanter one bit. Yes the debuff is nice definitely no argument there but it's not mandatory which is an illusion created for who knows what reason, especially when it's on a class that has nothing else to offer to the group except that one button. Additionally it's very situational, works to it's full potential only against mids.

Only on live.

You got the same potential against albs as you have against mids.

But with eld/ment you got the resist. I admit eld ment is a good setup against albs but it's very bad against mids. Against mids you don't need petclear and are nuking on the 50% resists.

Very bad players =/= very bad class. Like I said previously it doesn't matter if you're nuking on 50% resists if the player is smart and picking his targets right.

VW will be more and more useless.... or less and less usefull. It's the same idea...
why ?
1.69 =
- the end of conflagration (lvl 50 style conbo of the detaunt, the main source of DPS from the VW) that coming from the 4th style after evade so useless
- the end of the free 5L ra ability (u'll have to buy it)
- the end of the ichor (u just have to cry)

-> VW will be unplayable if u arent high rr

Losing ichor is a good thing since atm it's bugged and they refuse to fix it.

prefer eld ench bm bm/hero warden eld ench is fun!

Rasta! wrote:prefer eld ench bm bm/hero warden eld ench is fun!

That is only because you have a rank 9 chanter man like.

Thalien wrote:Utility wise both suck, not a big difference.

I wouldn't call demez+better pet clearance+heals+charmed pet (which can be a self demez/deroot if used correctly)+single mez+stun a utility set that sucks. Unlike debuff+horrible pet+inferior pet clearance+stun.
Maybe you should teach your eld to keep everything diseased at all times, especially the target? Your eld being split spec or mana spec doesn't help either : )))
Of course your damage against mids sucks when one of the casters is nuking with a baseline nuke and the other one can't pick targets because he only has assist and nuke on his qbar.

Rasta! wrote:prefer eld ench bm bm/hero warden eld ench is fun!

+ that's the most dysfunctional setup I've ever seen and I've played in a group with 5 minstrels yesterday.

Lemonjelly wrote:

Rasta! wrote:prefer eld ench bm bm/hero warden eld ench is fun!

+ that's the most dysfunctional setup I've ever seen and I've played in a group with 5 minstrels yesterday.

thats the best hib setup you can have. Like you said bad player != bad setup. Ofc it needs to be played well, but if its the strongest.

bawww wrote:

Rasta! wrote:prefer eld ench bm bm/hero warden eld ench is fun!

That is only because you have a rank 9 chanter man like.

Thalien wrote:Utility wise both suck, not a big difference.

I wouldn't call demez+better pet clearance+heals+charmed pet (which can be a self demez/deroot if used correctly)+single mez+stun a utility set that sucks. Unlike debuff+horrible pet+inferior pet clearance+stun.
Maybe you should teach your eld to keep everything diseased at all times, especially the target? Your eld being split spec or mana spec doesn't help either : )))
Of course your damage against mids sucks when one of the casters is nuking with a baseline nuke and the other one can't pick targets because he only has assist and nuke on his qbar.

Ok ment can heal. But if he has to your group got too much trouble anyways. Only real advantage is demezz, charmed pet has disadvantages also...

Ench baseline nuke against mids is like 100 dmg more then menty on a 0,2 faster cast, and so is eld ones. Also ench can qc+debuff cold for eld even if interuppted/tank add. If you think baseline nuke sucks you haven't seen any decent alb debuff group.

I haven't had dmg problems against mids cause i always chose ench+eld over ment. Ofc a good played ment/eld group is better than a bad played eld/ench setup. But thats the same with every setup. Theory wise eld ench is just superior to eld ment.

Thalien wrote:

Lemonjelly wrote:

Rasta! wrote:prefer eld ench bm bm/hero warden eld ench is fun!

+ that's the most dysfunctional setup I've ever seen and I've played in a group with 5 minstrels yesterday.

thats the best hib setup you can have. Like you said bad player != bad setup. Ofc it needs to be played well, but if its the strongest.

I can outheal the damage output of that group with spamming minor heal regardless of players. Hardly the best hib setup.

Well you also say that ment is decent dps against mids...
But then you say eld ench has no dmg output?

Seems you play alb and got no idea about hib setups. It's seriously one of the bests.
Eld+ench assist is a good dmg output and enough to drop everything quick. Also they got a hero with em.
And then it's not all about dmg but rupt/control of the figth.

Only problem with the setup is the warden spot. Most time a second bm is better. Hard to get a warden in group with no shildspec