Hey Dudes

I decided to start leveling a ranger. I guess i will skill him 50 bow, 48 pathfinding and 34 stealth, so I have to wait until level 48 until I can skill bow cause of autotrain. Thats the reason why I cant test some things by my self and I have to ask you therefore:

1. What skills will I get if I skill bow? I used this builder:

http://daoc2.catacombs.com/cbuilder2.cfm?Ranger

but it looks like, that the skills arent correct cause I heard, that I will get the skill "Volley" at level 35 and in this builder the skill is nit included.

2. Do I get the skill Penetrating Arrow and if so, is it a passive or an aktive skill?

3. Is it possible to strike through casters bubbles with critical shot like on the real servers?

4. I saw an ability called "True Shot" at my trainer, can i combinate it with critical shot, or is it a skill on its own?


I guess thats all for now If you cant answer to all of my questions, but you have a good one for one, just answer, may other people can tell us the rest

thx for your help

Jonnyx

If I recall, speccing 50 bow isn't worth it. Nets about 7% more damage. Most spec 35-40 bow.

Regarding Trueshot, here is a quote from daoc2.catacombs from when Trueshot was on live servers:


"Trueshot is fantastic!

You see a lone caster running by? Trueshot him to get a bubble popper with a nice damage to it, then RF him down.

You see a lone caster standing around dumbly? Trueshot him, then critshot him, dead caster.

You start sniping down a straggler only to have him run out of range with 5% life left? Annoying isn't it? Sprint to catch up a bit, trueshot him down like the dog he is." -Fewd

1. At 50 you will get penetrating arrow 3 and the highest end volley.

2. You will get the highest lvl of penetrating arrow, however, I have yet to see penetrating arrow work on this server. I'm not saying that it's broke for sure, but I dont remember ever seeing my 1st arrow break bubble. Also, the highest lvl of penetrating arrow will not increase your chances to break bubble, all it does is allow you to do more damage IF you break bubble.

3. See Above- I have a 7L1 hybrid spec ranger (35 bow) and I have never seen my first shot (crit, normal, or rf) get threw bubble.

4. I have heard that true shot is broke on this server. I have never had it since i've never been over 35 bow on this server, but I've heard it doesnt work like it did on live.

I would agree w/ Frittz. I have a 35 bow spec and I can hit as hard with my bow as many scouts/rangers/hunters that are sniper spec. You will see a very slight increase in dmg, but nothing anywhere near to the amount for what you are sacrificing to get to 50 bow. I would say that if you really want to go w/ sniper spec go with 40 or 45 bow and take those extra points to get stealth to 35 and put a lil bit in mele. Try and either get to 25 pierce for 5 sec evade stun or 18 cd for 4 sec side stun. Either one of those 2 stuns will give you enough time to run away and get some distance to start using your bow again.

Hey there,

thx for your help. Even if I see your point in skilling a Hybrid Ranger, I wont do that, because its for sure, that I will group up with 2 or even 3 Nightshades. I think I can fulfill my role as Range Damagedealer the best, if I skill my way. Thanx anyway for your advices

RonELuvv wrote:
4. I have heard that true shot is broke on this server. I have never had it since i've never been over 35 bow on this server, but I've heard it doesnt work like it did on live.

Compared to this topic:

http://uthgard.net/index.php?option=com ... ot#p194172

True Shoot should work since 18.02.2011.

Thanx so far

Jonnyx

Trueshot is working but you cannot use CS while trueshot is active. I thought that was possible on live but it´s just fading memories and I couldn´t find any "official" proof about that.

Playing full sniper is worth it, even within several longtime known bugs regarding bows. It got a lot more difficult since the "block fix" on this server but you still can kill pretty much as a sniper.

Start kite early cause melee range still feels like ~400 units and getting in touch with viper3 assassins is NO FUN in the currently server settings

Hit´n´run is what you do!

PS: You´re the "Guardians of the last Paradise" one?

Please be aware of that penetrating arrow on live never worked against self-BT of caster. It was supposed to work only against BTs casted on other players. So, only usefull when leaching in zerg situations against PBTs.

Snigel wrote:PS: You´re the "Guardians of the last Paradise" one?

yes thats me^^

Jonnyx wrote:Hey Dudes

I decided to start leveling a ranger. I guess i will skill him 50 bow, 48 pathfinding and 34 stealth, so I have to wait until level 48 until I can skill bow cause of autotrain. Thats the reason why I cant test some things by my self and I have to ask you therefore:

1. What skills will I get if I skill bow? I used this builder:

http://daoc2.catacombs.com/cbuilder2.cfm?Ranger

but it looks like, that the skills arent correct cause I heard, that I will get the skill "Volley" at level 35 and in this builder the skill is nit included.

2. Do I get the skill Penetrating Arrow and if so, is it a passive or an aktive skill?

3. Is it possible to strike through casters bubbles with critical shot like on the real servers?

4. I saw an ability called "True Shot" at my trainer, can i combinate it with critical shot, or is it a skill on its own?


I guess thats all for now If you cant answer to all of my questions, but you have a good one for one, just answer, may other people can tell us the rest

thx for your help

Jonnyx

1. The main skills you will get is the highest level of a few skills, like Volley (6 arrows) This skill isnt that useful anymore, since your arrows land in an area around your GT, one at a time, and have a low chance to hit the targets, it will though hit more often with more targets in it. But the problem with that is youl hit random targets and do little , before they heal up. Good vs groups with no healing, good luck finding that.

The other skill you get is penetrating arrow 3 (100% damage). The way this works is that when you fire on targets who have a bladeturn on them ( has to be one that was casted on them, by someone else ) Your shot will break the BT like normal, but do listed damage, which Penetratiing arrow 3 is 100% damage, so your shot will do normal damage. This is a passive skill. Lower versions of this skill, do 50% and 75% of normal dmg vs blade turn, casted on them. So if your normal damage is 300 and you got penetration arrow 1 (50% dmg), your shot will do 150 dmg on that first shot and break the BT on that target. lvl 3 will do normal dmg.

Another skill is Rapid Fire 2. Rapid fire 1 allows you to fire at half draw time, at the cost of normal end cost. Rapid fire 2 is the same, exept at a lower end cost.

There is another skill called sure shot, this skill allows you to fire your bow, while being fired/casted on, at the cost of 50% dmg. This is an active skill.

Critshot ... you should know what that is.

That is about it, that i can think of, for bow skills. The most used ones is Critshot, Rapid Fire, and penetrating arrow can be useful in some situations (if its working).

2. Answered Above

3. You can not Critshot past BT in any situation on classic (unless you got penetrating arrow and firing on a BT which wasnt casted by that player.

4. True shot will bypass any bladeturn and has increased range of 50%. Can not be used with Critshot.

A little advice, dont spec for 50 bow, it isnt worth it. The damage increase is little and the skills at that level are about equally as good at lower levels. You may run with others, but if one enemy attacks you or intrupts you. You can not do anything to help then. You need melee. I suggest hybrid over full bow and full melee. It allows you to solo and group with all the tools. It may not be as strong as full melee/bow , but if you take advantage of your hybrid spec, using bow and melee, you can do as good as other specs, but in more situations... i believe.

My spec i like so far is . 35 Bow, 39 pierc, 18 cd, 33 stealth, 42 PF. What ever spec you go with, i would not go with a melee spec below 29, and that i still think is low. My low melee is 34 weapon, i never go with a spec below that. Full bow spec will handicap you anytime your in melee range and someone is throwing rocks at you and keep intrupting you. Its too easy to intrupt.

Jonnyx wrote:its for sure, that I will group up with 2 or even 3 Nightshades

Thats risky, I d go for 8/16 men at least, just to be sure you dont get zerged.