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Isavyr Gryphon Knight Posts: 277 Joined: Dec 29, 2010 02:49	Reply with quote by Isavyr » Jul 09, 2011 03:49 pweet wrote:Amnesie not working correctly is a serious handicap for Hib Grps as well This negatively affects caster groups and mostly just caster groups. So, what would encourage Hibernians to play more? We cannot create a community, but is there a way to encourage a community to develop? Are there other reasons Hibernians chose to play other realms, or that people decided against playing Hibernia after considering it?

Sonic1982 Myrmidon Posts: 197 Joined: Jun 15, 2010 00:00 Location: Germany	Reply with quote by Sonic1982 » Jul 09, 2011 09:35 Isavyr wrote:What is specifically wrong with Hib on Uthgard? I played hib almost exclusively back before ToA and remember Hibernia to be a good realm. What's different here? Before ToA, thats the important thing.. new RA without ToA is a funny thing. I remember ToA relase + old ra, then they changed to new ra to make realmabilitys again more important than items. But thats the big different to Uthgard, here we dont have mezz/stun shields, phaseshift or styleabsorb. But we have new RA. So it always happens that a small mistake could kill your grp. As example if you dont prekite on inc with your supporters, a zerker is able to charge you down. High RR Zerkers 3 Hit my Bard, and our rr11 Droods too. So if your prekite fail, or if charge up again (thx to all charge3 zerkers) its very hard to handle. For a random hib grp these usually means -> inc -> enemy push, 1-2 ppl down -> grp down. Against alb grps its also difficult, your droods have to rebuff fast to allow enough pressure of your tanks, and if you dont have a decent eld, that nearsights, diseases, and petclears primary, he reach the point of full rupt of your support quite fast. For a hib pug a moc1 theurg that spamms the support is equal dangerous like a Mid pushgrp. Hibernia may be the realm of good casters, and very nice supportclasses, but the teamplay determinate your success, more than in other realms. Thats why i'm always very happy when ppl from other realms join hib to play in RvR with a Guildgrp or staticgrp, after this try they usually see hib rvr in an other point of view. "Lieber stehend sterben, als auf Knien leben". - Dolores Ibárruri Gómez

Judoon Warder Posts: 26 Joined: Nov 21, 2010 12:53	Reply with quote by Judoon » Jul 09, 2011 13:28 There is nothing wrong with hib RvR if the statistics are up to date on the herald Percentage of Realm points Albs 33% Hibs 33% Mids 34% Looking at the kill spam that comes up in Emain I do not see hibs getting rolled all the time as some would suggest There are some very good hib groups out there perhaps they need to pass on there tactics to those who seem to struggle And for those that say players are leaving hib and going to alb or mid Players logged in the last 7 days counted Albs 34% Hibs 32% Mids 33% Seems even enough

Sonic1982 Myrmidon Posts: 197 Joined: Jun 15, 2010 00:00 Location: Germany	Reply with quote by Sonic1982 » Jul 09, 2011 14:02 Judoon wrote:Percentage of Realm points Albs 33% Hibs 33% Mids 34% Players logged in the last 7 days counted Albs 34% Hibs 32% Mids 33% Percentage of Realmpoints, this may depend on a few Guilds, and if this percentage just contains the complete rps, its just old , several Guilds like Bloodangels are now playing Mid/Alb, and keep with 20 rr5-7 chars per player, this statistic alive. Players logged in , login hib and make /who 50, and if there are 8, try to form a grp. And then you try to form a working grp that wins against a Mid Pug. Hibs do a lot of Pve/Battlegrounds, thats why there is a balance in the statistic. When Mids start running with just 5 decent players, the random Hib pugs just wipe. Do you play hib? If not just try Hib RvR "Lieber stehend sterben, als auf Knien leben". - Dolores Ibárruri Gómez

pweet Lion Knight Posts: 4243 Joined: Dec 22, 2010 14:07	Reply with quote by pweet » Jul 09, 2011 14:05 @ Jutoon: Seems you dont do much RvR since then you would trust those ppl who do it on a regular base or you d see it by urself.

Judoon Warder Posts: 26 Joined: Nov 21, 2010 12:53	Reply with quote by Judoon » Jul 09, 2011 14:19 pweet wrote:@ Jutoon: Seems you dont do much RvR since then you would trust those ppl who do it on a regular base or you d see it by urself. I am in the realm everyday thanks several Guilds like Bloodangels are now playing Mid/Alb There are also Alb guilds that have a guild on Hib When Mids start running with just 5 decent players the random Hib pugs just wipe. When Hib run with 5+ decent players I have seen Mid/Alb pugs wipe

Herm666 Eagle Knight Posts: 571 Joined: Jan 31, 2008 01:00	Reply with quote by Herm666 » Jul 10, 2011 14:46 Artefact wrote: Isavyr wrote:What is specifically wrong with Hib on Uthgard? The average player skill & abitility to have challenging enemies. Wut liekz to add: No shield spec for warden aylwynn warden

Zetetic Gryphon Knight Posts: 368 Joined: Jan 15, 2011 01:14	Reply with quote by Zetetic » Jul 14, 2011 23:49 I have seen Hibernia dominate this server with population, I think it was 2 years ago roughly. The past year it has been Albion who had the most population. Things seem to be changing now. Has Midgard ever had the most population for a similar amount of time? I have only seen them on top very briefly. (By most population I mean like a 36/33/31 type of thing. So yes, only 3 to 5 percent difference overall, I know that does not seem like much to some, but I can see the difference.)

Maidrion Phoenix Knight Posts: 1359 Joined: Jun 10, 2006 00:00	Reply with quote by Maidrion » Jul 17, 2011 04:55 Isavyr wrote: Hibs have nothing? If you're thinking 8 man, here are some pros: All casters have same elemental baseline DD (light) making it convenient to build caster groups around light debuff--which is as common as enchanters are (for non Hibernian players, that's common). Casters have stun, which is convenient as it frees up support (clerics, healers) from having to cast it. This means that Hibernians players do not have to balance offensive and defensive thinking, typically, and are safer with tunnel vision as compared to other casters. The Hib = strong casters argument went out of fashion years ago. Let's see: - An Enchanter is a very limited class. He has no utility, no cc, mediocre damage till high rr yet is supposed to be the focal point of debuff groups. Not to mention the big mana problems. His pet can be useful but is easily controlled like any pet and pbaoe seldom pays off. - A Mentalist has a little more to bring to the table than a debuff but still doesn't shine like some others. The demezz is very good since a bard isn't as strong a demezzer as 2 healers or a sorc. Again lacks cc. - Granted a light eld is a pretty amazing class. Among the best casters even if it lacks hard'cc. Baseline stun is a fun gimmick but only usable on non-det/stoic classes which generally aren't acquirable targets in a debuff grp. Mid casters aren't much better though having cold as the damage type for all worthwhile dd's is a definite plus not to mention better baseline cc (root). But when we compare to alb they get really outshined. Sorc is the best CC'er in the game, caba is strong and theurg is a big pluspoint other realms don't have. Also your argument on passive/aggressive thinking makes no sense. Baseline stun is more than bad on det classes, and the 5seconds on other classes won't shut them out like a Druid root. In fact the big lack of cc on hib casters makes it vital for Druids to step in for aggressive play or it's all upto your Bard (gl). Clerics can just hang back, heal and let the tons of CC in your team do the work, the few stuns he throws in a fight don't impede him much. Isavyr wrote:Hibernians have the highest healing power of all realms, typically, as a 8-man will generally run 2 druids and a bard, all of which are generally specced proficiently in healing. Not entirely true for reasons above. Clerics have more time and opportunity to heal. Yeah a Bard with 33reg will heal decent but will have mana probs. Hib still beats Mid on this though. Alb's strength in 8v8 is underrated on this server. Sorc/caba/theurg if played right win games bigtime. I'd say Albion is the strongest realm, Midgard the easiest, Hibernia the weakest.

Bartinzo Warder Posts: 25 Joined: Jul 04, 2011 09:07	Reply with quote by Bartinzo » Jul 17, 2011 08:10 Maidrion wrote: Isavyr wrote: Hibs have nothing? If you're thinking 8 man, here are some pros: All casters have same elemental baseline DD (light) making it convenient to build caster groups around light debuff--which is as common as enchanters are (for non Hibernian players, that's common). Casters have stun, which is convenient as it frees up support (clerics, healers) from having to cast it. This means that Hibernians players do not have to balance offensive and defensive thinking, typically, and are safer with tunnel vision as compared to other casters. The Hib = strong casters argument went out of fashion years ago. Let's see: - An Enchanter is a very limited class. He has no utility, no cc, mediocre damage till high rr yet is supposed to be the focal point of debuff groups. Not to mention the big mana problems. His pet can be useful but is easily controlled like any pet and pbaoe seldom pays off. - A Mentalist has a little more to bring to the table than a debuff but still doesn't shine like some others. The demezz is very good since a bard isn't as strong a demezzer as 2 healers or a sorc. Again lacks cc. - Granted a light eld is a pretty amazing class. Among the best casters even if it lacks hard'cc. Baseline stun is a fun gimmick but only usable on non-det/stoic classes which generally aren't acquirable targets in a debuff grp. Mid casters aren't much better though having cold as the damage type for all worthwhile dd's is a definite plus not to mention better baseline cc (root). But when we compare to alb they get really outshined. Sorc is the best CC'er in the game, caba is strong and theurg is a big pluspoint other realms don't have. Also your argument on passive/aggressive thinking makes no sense. Baseline stun is more than bad on det classes, and the 5seconds on other classes won't shut them out like a Druid root. In fact the big lack of cc on hib casters makes it vital for Druids to step in for aggressive play or it's all upto your Bard (gl). Clerics can just hang back, heal and let the tons of CC in your team do the work, the few stuns he throws in a fight don't impede him much. Isavyr wrote:Hibernians have the highest healing power of all realms, typically, as a 8-man will generally run 2 druids and a bard, all of which are generally specced proficiently in healing. Not entirely true for reasons above. Clerics have more time and opportunity to heal. Yeah a Bard with 33reg will heal decent but will have mana probs. Hib still beats Mid on this though. Alb's strength in 8v8 is underrated on this server. Sorc/caba/theurg if played right win games bigtime. I'd say Albion is the strongest realm, Midgard the easiest, Hibernia the weakest. QFT.

Zetetic Gryphon Knight Posts: 368 Joined: Jan 15, 2011 01:14	Reply with quote by Zetetic » Jul 17, 2011 20:52 Its pretty clear now, Hibernia is very much on top at the moment, population speaking. I wonder if we are seeing the way things will be for the forseeable future? Or if this is some freak event regarding relics or something. I hope it is just the latter because I don't like playing in the biggest realm but I like Hibernia in all other respects.