pweet wrote:Yeah lets judge balancing issues out of the view of 2001...The game has changed and what worked vs ultra gimps is not working on Uth
For decent grps its:
Albs>>Mids>Hibs
Face it.

Hedra wrote:And for noob groups it's mids>>albs>hibs ?

Hedra wrote:And for noob groups it's mids>>albs>hibs ?

I know its hard to accept after you get rolled by ppl who plays better then you do, so I guess what somebody can do is either accept it or keep lieing to himself , "yes albion must be easymode"

Eddie wrote:

Kirillow wrote:Or you go Sorc, Cabby, Cleric and Mincer? - Bolt Range mezz, good heals, specc buffed, NS, disease, pet, assist nuke on debuff.. I don't know, you just compared some [I am a little bunny and like flowers] setups against each other in the rare scenario of 4men pugs. Make it a full group and it will look a lot different, I don't get your point..

Wizard has NO utility. That's why they aren't in groups. Having some utility plus damage is preferable for good teamplay instead of reducing a class to it's utility only since it's the only character in group that can supply it..

Having every class contributing something more useful than just damage just can't be a bad thing.. Having utility spread throughout many characters makes it possible to get them all off at a short time.. Albion classes have a great synergy, yo can't put a Hibernia group together consisting of bards, elds and druids only..

Mentalists and enchanters are almost as handicapped as the wizard. Demezz and Resist-Debuff. Plus the stacking base DD I mentioned already..
So it's not hilarious to say all utility on one class is a bad thing. It's nice for the player himself but not for effective group play.. Having 3 chars using all their utility simultanously on high range against one other on the other side.. Right. This makes an eldritch way more desirable ^^

Making fun of the wizard while Ench and Ment are close (I said close, not the same) in terms of utility is hilarious. ^^

I didnt make any 4v4 scenario, that was: lets start a 8v8 well balanced party by putting all the utility classes first, and then filling up with DD/others. And so i put the first 4 men for hib and then the relative 4 albions to try to get same utility. So it aint any 4men pug scenario i am describing.

So again, you start your 8 man grp on hib: with eld bard you get all utility you need, but then you say: all utilities on 2 man is not good, so I say: you put 2 eld/2bard, you r never gona reach the same utility with 4 alb classes. You wanna put sorc instead of pala? fine, the alb grp is gona end up with no endurance then, so yet need another spot, the 5th and you get the endo regen, but then you have 1 more spot on hib, and you put a drood in there. And here we are again, 5 man vs 5 man, hibs get specs too now, 3 healers vs 1, and all the same stuff i already mentioned in the other post, while albion has that more slammer then hib.

Now how to fill up those 3 other spots? Just think that a cleric alone cant buff 8 men so you r gona need at least 1 more or a friar, and so you have last 2 sposts where you can basically choose from merc/merc, or theurg/merc. On the Hib side you pretty much can choose what to use, Druid +2bms would be a common choice i d say.

So its 1 cloth wearer mezzer (oh yeah bolt range) but the hib setup get 2 mezzers on reinforced, with 2 ista aoe mezz and insta lullaby. 4 healers vs 2 of albion (not big deal right? its just 2 more healers), same dps if you go for dual mercs less dps but pets if you go for theurg/merc.

This is all in the case where you put the 2 bards and 2 eldritchs, cos as you said, you dont wanna rely on 2 guys, and you wanna Spread the utility. Now tell me what kind of bonus an albion grp would have in terms of total utility this way (beside theurg pets), and what synergy/utility spread you were talking about you have as an albion grp when basically the men doing the "cast battles" are 4 on each side (bard bard eld eld vs sorc cabby mincer theurg) where those on albion side can barely do half of the stuff of those hibbies can.

After this lets consider that, 2bard 2 eld is not the common hib setup, cos they have better stuff than that, means even if this setup seems already superior to the albions, you can still do better in Hibernia.

You must have got my point now, its pretty simple, i am just telling you why a hib grp is always gona have more utility, or raw dps, or whatever else and i just tried to explain why i think like this. So dont pretend you dont get it or answer me that albions classes has some mystic synergy you are not able to describe with words, but you just feel there is ^^

I know its hard to accept after you get rolled by ppl who plays better then you do, so I guess what somebody can do is either accept it or keep lieing to himself , "yes albion must be easymode"