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Postby Dirtymind » Apr 24, 2013 08:52

Do pom + sere + built-in reg fully stack?

Do all work in combat?

Does it help to sit while combat?

If you run autobubble what stage of pom/sere do you need so mana usage and mana regen is equal?

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Postby Tsimshian » Apr 24, 2013 10:26

1. PoM+Sere are stacking
2.+3. Dont sit in combat while your Pets are fighting = senseless, cause you dont reg Mana while you or your Pets are in Combat
4. At least a Theurg needs a minimum of Sere2, Sere3 is standard, Sere4 is luxury.

For PvE Raids like SH, its fine to have PoM charge or pot cause you have no Sorc in Group :?
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Postby Dirtymind » Apr 24, 2013 10:49

Tsimshian wrote:2.+3. Dont sit in combat while your Pets are fighting = senseless, cause you dont reg Mana while you or your Pets are in Combat

There is at least some small mana reggen during combat... when i cast pets til I am oop and I notice damn, not enough to kill mob - I wait a bit (while pets fighting) and I can cast another pet.. so either one (pom, sere, or built in reg) works while combat or even all but to a smaller degree. I havent noticed difference whether sitting or standing during combat - but I got no ui with % so I asked here...
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Postby pythion » Apr 24, 2013 10:52

a petclass on live could always sit and regen endurance while their pet attacked.
on uthgard you gain none. ^^

you asked some very general questions, but yes serenity and pom "work" in combat.
mana regen is always the same tick every 6 - 12 seconds depending on the combat flag.
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Postby HulkGris » Apr 24, 2013 11:07

pythion wrote:a petclass on live could always sit and regen endurance while their pet attacked.
on uthgard you gain none. ^^

On live, it's useless to sit down, even out of combat. There's no more regen bonus while sitting, since the up of regen rates.
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Postby pythion » Apr 24, 2013 11:33

yes but sitting on uthgard makes the ticks 100% faster in and out of combat ^^
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Postby Tsimshian » Apr 24, 2013 12:56

pythion wrote:yes but sitting on uthgard makes the ticks 100% faster in and out of combat ^^


Hmm correction and my vault, sorry.
you really reg some less points of mana, but with running Bubble the reg is nearly 0%, sometimes you lost more mana from the Bubble Pulse instead of the manaregeneration and your manabar is falling down
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Postby Netchel » Apr 25, 2013 18:58

are you sure about the sitting in combat factor?

in general regen works in "ticks" the rate of each regen tick depends on several factors.

out of combat + sitting = 3 seconds (damn thats fast)
out of combat + standing = 6 seconds
in combat = 14 seconds (why its not 12 is beyond me)

now list casters also have a regen penalty of if they are below 50% power of 2x.

out of combat + sitting + under 50% power = 6 seconds
out of combat + standing + under 50% power = 12 seconds
in combat + under 50% power = 28 seconds

if uthgard has some special change to have sitting in combat help, then add another couple lines
7 sec sitting in combat
14 sec for sitting in combat under 50% power.

thus between being out of combat and sitting with power over 50% vs being in combat and below 50% has about a 10x difference in your regen rate. the regen rate is so painfully slow that you most likely will only see a couple power ticks once you are in combat and run oop.

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Postby Netchel » Apr 25, 2013 19:15

did some googling and while i cant confirm it for uthgard, old livelike and DOL servers only have 3 states. sitting out of combat, standing out of combat, and in combat. so sitting in combat doesnt help. but it does tell your group you are oop and to stop askign for dmg add and haste :P

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Postby HulkGris » Apr 26, 2013 13:30

I tryed yesterday to sit down while my pet were fighting. I noticed no difference in regen rate.
Just made a "visual" check, but for a supposed 100% increase of regen rate, i think there's no need for meticulous testing.
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