After a successful relic raid vs the albs, in which Mids stormed the relic keep, held it down long enough to kill the relic lord, broke down all 3 doors, grabbed the relic, and walked all the way back to midland to bring it back, albs get to complain and suddenly get both their relics back? This seems a bit unfair, and I'm asking for some clarification as to what made that decision go into effect, and additionally why midgard was not awarded the relics even though they successfully held the alb relic keep long enough to where they couldn't defend it against 2 relic grabs. If anyone would care to explain, I'd greatly appreciate it. Because I'm lost and can't seem to understand the reasoning behind returning the relics to albs. After all, the entire battlegroup only waited in Mjollner for 2 hours after stealing it.

so after you all wiped at the relic, a dead kobi that can move and take a relic and /release with it sounds correct in your ears ?

Honestly people, did you really think you would get away with taking a Relic through bug abuse?

I heard a corpse was sliding around, snatched a relic, then released into Uppland and had it. Which makes sense at the record breaking time it was taken. "Thor's Hammer was just picked up'', a few minutes later, type /relic, ''Thor's Hamer is in Uppland!''. Absoultely no chance for Albions to intercept the relic back. Not to mention the Mids already wiped.

Magicco wrote:


so a dead kobi that can move and take a relic and /release with it sounds correct in your ears ?

I was oblivious to that ever happening. I was at mjollner after hearing we had it... I feel bad about QQing with a post now. Thanks for screen shot, because now I feel like a jerk

It also didn't help the Albs that the relic timed out and went to the WRONG relic keep.

Austerim is partially right, and so are mids. Fact is, they killed the relic bearer and lot of the mids, but we had way more people and quickly occupied the keep. Albion defense was 10 times better few days before, that day they did not have enough people for a proper defense. However, it was a clear bug abuse and that sucks, even if it wasn't on purpose. Person that released did not know what's gonna happen. Problem is, none of the GM's were online to respond. Abydos did not have his offline flag on IRC, but he did not respond either. Rajnish only logged on later cause he was not at home then. I think the biggest problem was that relic was bugged for large amount of time, constantly swapping zones where that person moved, but the person didn't really have it. So basically, both Mids and Albs lost time waiting for it.


No GM was there to reset it, so Mids can have another try at relic, and maybe a couple more nice fights for everyone...instead we all kinda just lost our time in a standoff. With no bugs, likely scenario would be Mids capturing one relic, cause of the numbers and open gates. We had 70-80 people in battlegroup and when I did /bg groups, many people in their groups weren't actually in the bg, so we had the numbers. Kinda lame, it was still prime time when it all started, would have been nice if one GM responded :S.

Raggnar wrote: it was a clear bug abuse and that sucks, even if it wasn't on purpose.

so lying dead in the courtyard, running all ramps up and take the relic wasnt on purpose ?

Magicco wrote:

Raggnar wrote: it was a clear bug abuse and that sucks, even if it wasn't on purpose.

so lying dead in the courtyard, running all ramps up and take the relic wasnt on purpose ?

We spent an hour trying to call gm to reset the relic, just so we can have a normal relic raid. Bug abuse was not the intention of the raid leaders or most people, what one guy did...****** happens. Nobody wanted something like that anyway. Nobody in battlegroup told the guy to do it or whatever, we spent 30 mins or so just asking him where the hell he is, without any normal response...

Magicco wrote:

Raggnar wrote: it was a clear bug abuse and that sucks, even if it wasn't on purpose.

so lying dead in the courtyard, running all ramps up and take the relic wasnt on purpose ?

I heard he was blatantly sliding up a ramp, unable to be killed as he was already dead. Swiped the relic, then /rel'd with it lol. Sounds like he knew what was going on.

well than think before you do actions like that and dont blame all consequenz after u did it
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Magicco wrote:well than think before you do actions like that and dont blame all consequenz after u did it
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I didn't do anything or blame anyone xD, don't give a ****** about relics anyway, was there just for some RPS...I'm just saying, it's not like bug abuse was planned by the majority or leaders. No point in discussing, relics are back to Alb and that's that...

Another thing that didn't help after we first wiped the Mids is that no one fully repaired the gates.

Austerim wrote:Another thing that didn't help after we first wiped the Mids is that no one fully repaired the gates.

just wait till repair costs are fixed, than no one will repair em ^^

Magicco wrote:

Austerim wrote:Another thing that didn't help after we first wiped the Mids is that no one fully repaired the gates.

just wait till repair costs are fixed, than no one will repair em ^^

Just wait until other keeps have an influence on RelicGuard count, no need to repair doors then!

We opend all doors, rushed in and wiped.
When we released I said we meet HW again and then suddenly game said relic was last seen in uppland.
We did not know how and thought its just some kind of bug, relic will be in relic keep doesnt matter what games says.

So we inc relic keep again, rushed in and, i guess because mids thought we r uppland, reached the top of the tower where, suprise, no relic was in. So i command the raid to stay in relic keep and defend while I talk to gm.

I asked gm to reset relic to albion relic keep. nothing happend. because in herald it was said, the forces of midgard lead by yagg have token relic, he relogged 2x. nothing happend. so because it was last seen in uppland, i sended 1 grp to look for relik in uppland, while i still tried to call gm. nothing happend, no relic found. so i sended that yagg grp to midgard relic keep to see if hanything is there. nothing. so after we defended albion relic keep about 1 - 1,5 hours, somehow gm granted relic to midgard relic kepp. mh .... so we were confused but then ofc took 2nd alb relic and brought it home. just a few moment when we brought it home gm removed both relics.

In the end no one used a bug on purpose so far i know and why would we wait for relic to reset to albion relic keep and defend relic keep so long if we used bug on purpose? that guy that was buggy didnt even know how a relic looks like, he was in that grp is sended to uppland to find relic, I had to describe it.

i think the real fault was to grant relic to midgard instead of reset to albion, so albs had no chanve to defend their relic when we bring it home.

In the end we defended relic keep 1-1,5 hours against albs and later hibs too and we fought for it, tried to resolve the problem, not knowing what was going on as albs didnt know too. best way would have been: mids get their relic, albs get their relic.

this was just frustrating for both realms! i can understand that alb is mad about what happend but albs ... believe me, midgard is too

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