Moc1 ae rooting, playing cave shaman as caster, I need to get out of here.
But in a real pug that might be a solution.
It's either a win or a loss after 30s anyway.

38 Second Duration, with Moc1 its like 9,5 Seconds on non dettanks(-resists etc.), so the root start and stop .

Pretty good!

moc1 ae root, works if you cast the first ae root before you moc. and its not only a root spam, you can root, disease, shear, root, shear, root, shear etc etc. it works. for suporters and casters this is deadly. oh and Ichor is nice for this to.

immunity for you ... and you ... and you ROOT IMMUNITY FOR EVERYONE !!!! btw when everyone here speaks about ae shears ... do they have 150 range here too? because ae shearing anyone on live was like impossible (maybe against a full melee setup when some tanks sticked the assist target) + 3sec csat time instead of 2sec

Ya 150 range here aswell, thats why id make no sense either and still MOc1 Ae Root, id love to play Alb/Hib if u play shaman and do that .

Tell me when you roam pls!

trading pbaoe disease for slightly more dex and aoe shears = lol

Nef Melody wrote:trading pbaoe disease for slightly more dex and aoe shears = lol

It is good to see that after four pages people still bring new aspects into the discussion!

Lol

It really does depend on how you play your shaman.

I chose red dex/quick because in my eyes putting all those points into cave is betting against yourself.

Screw better buffs and heals for my group. im gona fart every 8 seconds and still end up getting Killed because i know my group hates shaman buffs and will let me die. (/sarcasm off)


Groups need to keep their shaman alive. Lately most of the groups ive played with have run at least 1 peeler or if not that an extra seer which solves the need of the oh crap button yall call pbaoe disease.

The way i see it, dont bet against yourself. bet with your group. am i gona put all those points into cave just so that if my group messes up or i dont pre kite properly i have a oh crap button? No. I am going to spec to be the absolute best support i can for my group. People talk down to shaman heals but i know for a fact I have saved people soooo many times.

I guess if your shaman is pbaoe spec you could build your group around it? I really dont know. Just seems like too big a sacrifice in order to make your group less powerful because you hope that you will need to use it. Higher dex also helps cap out your shield class's block % who should have guard on you 9/10 times you would end up using pbaoe disease.

I have not used pbaoe disease on this server and i have done just fine, yet at the same time i made sure my group could do the best they can because i made sure they had the best buffs.

Also people need to keep in mind that the amount of points in aug affects the buffs. I know some of you are adding/subtracting delve values.

But even after alllll my opinions....

In the end you have to play your shaman. This is how i like to play/my groups prefer it. To each their own, i just hope you low rr pbaoe spec shaman can one day see the light.




IMHO No purpose for cave until very high RR when i might start soloing on my shaman.

rupt is your heal as a sham
and 14 more dex is like 0.1% more block chance

so you start to heal and while this is happening the whole enemy backline start to fire everything off they got ... nice trade
even as a caster in grp i prefer pbae desease over red spec dex

Ppl should really play hib or alb on uthgard, as long as most of the shamans dont spec pbae disease in mid.
Must be fun fighting mids without havin to deal with "heavy disease" pressure.

Isn't the shamans job done after buffing? You have to cast other spells? nowai

redrumed wrote:It really does depend on how you play your shaman.

I chose red dex/quick because in my eyes putting all those points into cave is betting against yourself.

It's simply a huge waste of utility not speccing the pbaoe desease.

redrumed wrote:Screw better buffs and heals for my group. im gona fart every 8 seconds and still end up getting Killed because i know my group hates shaman buffs and will let me die. (/sarcasm off)

Healing is not your job anyway. Better buffs are good as well, but they can't compensate the missing insta desease.

redrumed wrote:Groups need to keep their shaman alive. Lately most of the groups ive played with have run at least 1 peeler or if not that an extra seer which solves the need of the oh crap button yall call pbaoe disease.

The way i see it, dont bet against yourself. bet with your group. am i gona put all those points into cave just so that if my group messes up or i dont pre kite properly i have a oh crap button? No. I am going to spec to be the absolute best support i can for my group. People talk down to shaman heals but i know for a fact I have saved people soooo many times.

Pbaoe insta desease is no "oh crap" button. It's another very strong spell to do your job. You would be the best support for your group if you could actually desease (helps peeling, securing kill and keeping enemy healers busy! you know desease!) and rupt the enemy group without the need to cast. You won't be free always and even if you can just throw in the insta while you do other important stuff. You seem to highly underestimate the strenght of this spell.

redrumed wrote:Higher dex also helps cap out your shield class's block % who should have guard on you 9/10 times you would end up using pbaoe disease.

The main function of the pbaoe insta desease is not to save your ass if you get tank trained. Just think about it and you might realize that.

redrumed wrote:Also people need to keep in mind that the amount of points in aug affects the buffs. I know some of you are adding/subtracting delve values.

Specbuffs are always capped, basebuffs if your total skillevel in aug (spec + bonus) reaches the level of the buffspell. So you won't benefit at all from this perspective.

redrumed wrote:But even after alllll my opinions....

In the end you have to play your shaman. This is how i like to play/my groups prefer it. To each their own, i just hope you low rr pbaoe spec shaman can one day see the light.

That's true. And ofc a shaman with 50 buff can do fine, but you sacrifice a lot for it and in 95%+ of the situations it's not worth it

let all the albs and hibs in this thread tell you mids how to specc and play... not

i am happy that meanwhile more than 50% of all shaman got red d/q, while it was considered a no go about a year ago. I still prefer to play with a red d/q shaman, that has to concentrade on his job and positioning through his specc, a lot over instadisease shamans that just tend to be way too far in the front and die a senseless death trying to use theyr "mighty" utility... and every instadisese shaman does that. For sure not always, but even the best player do it from time to time, which always equals an unnecessary loss.

And please don't tell me "i never died on my instadisease shaman because i tried to use instadisease in the front", that would just be a hilarious lie.