Nef Melody wrote:Why wouldn't you just keep the old stats and make them decay faster then ?

Whats the problem with offering the players a second option? Maybe the new item fits into the template?

Abydos wrote:

Foneb wrote:hoe about exchange them for livelike si items? on hib for example akars for hydra ring/ balor eye whater. admatines for galladoria chest or smth similar. i dont see customisation need here since si will come anyway why use custom items instead of live ones

The difficulty to obtain those is dramatically different. Taj is doable with 8 players max. Less in many cases.

arbitrary examples. most mobs could be done with 8 ppl femur with less as another example. i mean in general why not use si livelike items

Mapping to a live equivalent would be quite a task in itself. Already there are nearly (or over) 100 items in Taj.

Blue wrote:What did you expect us to do with these items?

One question Blue. With exchange ill get one item with the same stats, or with different stats? If will have the same stats its ok.

Remove charges from them for exmple. There are players that use 3-5 taj items in their templates, and they used lot of time farming that items or farming money for buy them. But if with exchange we will get items with different stats, this will destroy 90% templates in this server.
Do you want 2-3 month all players farming items for new template, or see some rvr in frontiers?
Because daoc server without rvr isnt daoc its wow XDDDD

Good idea on Thidranki as someone who's just started on Uthgard and 50 I can tell you I know of many many people with just thid toons. Its not unheard of for people to have three four 49s to bring to a group. Also some how I've found low rank RvR whenever I've wanted by avoiding Emain/AMG just like people used to do. Here you have to do tasks to twiddle the time and wait for fights. Had a really fun fight with a hib seven man against are just level'd thidranki 7-man 50's group that was a very entertaining few runs. I found no problems leveling and gearing up on uthgard as long as you dont follow the best everything templates.

vangonaj wrote:

Blue wrote:What did you expect us to do with these items?

One question Blue. With exchange ill get one item with the same stats, or with different stats? If will have the same stats its ok.

Remove charges from them for exmple. There are players that use 3-5 taj items in their templates, and they used lot of time farming that items or farming money for buy them. But if with exchange we will get items with different stats, this will destroy 90% templates in this server.
Do you want 2-3 month all players farming items for new template, or see some rvr in frontiers?
Because daoc server without rvr isnt daoc its wow XDDDD

The stats ARE different, that is the point of the exchange. You can choose to keep your existing items, if you want.

Also want to add there is something completely screwed up with the 50 rvr if one group dominates weekly rps sprinkeled in with 49 thidranki toons.

I still wonder what people with a Tear of Tajendi should do since they can't get a 2nd or a 3rd to save their temps for a bit with them

Cathsy wrote:I still wonder what people with a Tear of Tajendi should do since they can't get a 2nd or a 3rd to save their temps for a bit with them

Give it to me since I'm too poor to afford a S/C charge.

Cathsy wrote:I still wonder what people with a Tear of Tajendi should do since they can't get a 2nd or a 3rd to save their temps for a bit with them

I only have cloaks, one axe and one old staff.

Here is what I think about the changes...

For starters, any player that had read the forums at all and had been here any time at all knew that the BG's were going to get changed and that Taj items were going to be allowed to be exchanged. We as the players are always getting upset with the GM's for not communicating these things to the community and not listening to the community. In this particular case the GM's gave us advanced warning (change doesnt go into effect till 12/31) about these incoming changes AND even added in another custom BG to help soften the blow a tad. They also listened to the community and gave us 25% rp's.

Listen, I get it players. I'm not the biggest fan of the changes that have came since I started here, but we all knew these days were coming. Now we have people upset because of the implementation of more custom changes AND we have players upset because the custom changes are not enough in their minds. Sometimes I truly do feel sorry for the GM's trying to please the player base. Its certainly a no win situation.

Will the BG change kill low level RvR? Possibly, but my rebuttal is to ask what low level RvR exists now? Subrtracting from 0 is still 0. The players that want to reroll will be able to do so even earlier and faster now as well as being able to enjoy the BG's at even lower levels. Those people that want to graduate from the BG's and do Frontier RvR can still do so, albeit a little harder than before but it is still doable. They can still task and take keeps. They can still group up with similiar levels and if all 3 realms do this then there will be other RR2-3 players out to kill besides the big bad high RR players roaming. Remember, many thought BG's should let you get to 5,6,7, and I even remember a player asking for a BG that allowed you to get to 8L0 on these forums. No matter what RR they picked to end the custom BG at somebody was going to be upset, as is evidenced by this whole thread.

I'm also not trying to brag here, but I was out on my hunter at 49.5 at at under 3L0 and I was getting solo kills on RR5-8 players. Not alot, and I lost more than I won, but lets not act like going into Emain at RR3 is a death sentence. It is possible to succeed at lower RR's versus higher RR's.

So to summarize, I don't really agree and like all the changes, but at least the GM's are trying to work with us on this stuff. Give them a break. 1/2 the population asks for these changes, the other 1/2 throws a fit. The GM's have a server goal and they are trying to do the best at coming up with the server goal and still make adjustments to soften the blow to the community.

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Excalibur93 wrote:

tarija wrote:I challenge u to create a new char NOW , lvl it to 50, farm money to get a template with no good items around, ding 3L0 and go emain.. ENJOY THE GAME!

Hi,

you know what? i play here since 3 years and not one of my chars is 50. Not one of my chars has an item dropped by a Boss mob or dropped in Tajendi. Not one of my chars is higher then 3l2.

u know what? i whink GMs should hope that only u play daoc in this way.. cause if all players would be like u, uthgard would be dead since years

Excalibur93 wrote:So my point is: Playing here is an every day decision, if you like that Baby or if you dont like it. If you like it... fine... but if you dont like it, you always have the option to go.

Both is ok... playing here or leave it. But what is not ok is, that so many People are without any thankfullness for a gift they receive since years... a gift made with many tears and sweat, a gift only living becauso of so much manpower invested.

My personal fear is, that all this destructive People one day will bring Blue to a point, where he decides to stop that project... where he just gives up. i often wondered that he is not at this point allready. But i hope and i think, that he is wise enough to see, that all these whiners here are only the (loud) top of the iceberg... and that most Players (the ones you dont hear sadly) are satisfied and thankfull... just without communicating this.

i was born here.. in uthgard.. i never had the chance to play before for many reasons.. but i always loved this game.. so I AM thankfull to gms who create this server.. i play here since 3 or 4 years.. i have many chars.. and i WANT this server to go in the better way.. ( and i dont want easy mode.. )

i can do an easy example: in the last months, there are really too many mids in rvr and no enemies.. my main char is mid.. we play in the late night.. and there are ALWAYS ONLY mids.. so we (as guild) decided to reroll ALB at first, and now HIB.. to CREATE ACTION and have fun in any case..

with albs, we hit 50 and have templates (with taj still in this world ).. we did some rvr but it is hard with fg 4L against pug or guildgrp medium/high rank.. but it's always been like that, so ITS OK..

now.. in hib we are all lvl 46/47, with templates difficult to make and really expansive cause no good/cheap items around.. but ITS OK.. WE can manage it (just cause we had money in other realms..)
now we are in thid.. just hit 3L.. but its christmas time, so we will not be able to cap 4L2 before they will delete thidranki..

what will be the result? a guild fg with all 3L, no determination, sos1, di1 purge1 etc, against OLD grps with nice ranks and nice RAs..

do u think we will have fun? i dont think so..

do u think we will zerg? yes, probably.. we are forced to do it

so.. i tell my opinion NOT to say GMs that they are wrong cause i want easy mode.. i just want them to THINK ABOUT what they already have in this server, who populate it, and what these changes will work to OLD players and overall NEW players!!!! (if they really want NEW players)

and i say my useless opinion.. IF they WANT new players/more NEW action (not always the 10 same faces in emain), this is not the way to run trough..
if they DONT CARE about that, well GG u are doing all right

Excalibur93 wrote:well then you should seek some basic knowledge about psychology
Greetings
Excalibur93

Man(?) please, you clearly dont understand almost nothing about psychology, even less about daoc.
Im not even sure if you ever seen classic daoc on official servers since you probably are from 1993 lol.

Also you clearly state that you never join RvR on uthgard (because bg aren't end game rvr) and you never been more than 3L2, and that mean you never tried much RAs... i could continue to explain how many things you missed on this server.. Of course you dont care, even more you are happy now.

But still, you have the arrogace to say to others people that instead have played way more than you, and on way more aspects of this game/server to not "whine". It's just stupid. You should revise your "psychology class" since you lack a lot of common sense.

Sorry about making this post only about you, but really you are just bringing meaningless points to that thread.

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Oh, and dont make me wrong, i dont want easy things at all, we would like to see more sensible things.

Juna wrote:Ok, I guess I exaggerated a little and PLEASE don't take this too serious, I'm just human too, though being a staff member you often aren't expected to act human and when you do, players wonder. However:

Raggnar wrote:Trololololol, are you serious? You "ACCIDENTALLY" implemented a zone, kept it here for years and now one day you woke up and you realized it was an accident xD?

Satiah wrote:But it was no accident now was it?

It was not an accident as such, but it may have been a lack in revision of what other people (some of the Taj devs and helpers, no names to be called here) did and which item stats were implemented. So the "accident" part is the lack of consequence and consistence in behaviour of the staff, which lead to some, in this case beneficial, behaviour.

And though I'm not sure about it, as I'm pretty new to the staff, it was kept for so long for several internal (lack of manforce for several issues) as well as external reasons.

Won't comment on this issue any deeper now. Keep up the "oh the staff answered, let's see if we can bully or flame them or just pin them down to something they wouldn't wanna say" attitude and soon I'll stick to the most generic and non-committing kind of posts I can perform. When I started I was all for openness, honesty and all the other things, I thought the staff lacked, when I was a mere player, but as it stands, this is just not possible in such a community. Sad but true

Nah, I understand your logic, just was a bad comparison .