No shaman might suck a bit... or be very expensive...

Good point - totally forgot about the Shaman. How about switching one Berserker for a Shaman:

Healer (Pac)
Healer (Aug)
Warrior
Beserker
Beserker
Savage
Shaman
Runemaster.

Skald for max Speed? or something changed?

Botulinum wrote:Skald for max Speed? or something changed?

Old ras?

Zakoraya wrote:Good point - totally forgot about the Shaman. How about switching one Berserker for a Shaman:

Healer (Pac)
Healer (Aug)
Warrior
Beserker
Beserker
Savage
Shaman
Runemaster.

2 Healers, Shaman and Warrior are usually set. (Warrior could be replaced but I would personally always run one)

The remaining 4 slots can be filled with pretty much everything. Skalds will be way less effective since they loose all of the ra's that made them Strong (SoS,Aotg - the old aotg was quite bad compared to the new one)
I don't really like Tankgrps, if they're not Albs - it's just too easy to get rid of offtanks without them having charge.
I would actually recommend to play atleast 2 casters in a Mid grp if you want to be competitive - some strong Hybrid/Caster setups might look like this

2 Healers,Shaman,Warrior for all of them

+
Bd,Rm,Rm,Zerker
Rm,Rm,Zerker,Zerker
Bd,Rm,Zerker,Zerker
Healer,Rm,Rm,Zerker
Healer,Bd,Rm,Zerker

Savage Dmg is not reliable enough Imo, you can easily outspike a zerker but the overall dps will be lower. Savage will still be viable nonetheless, so if you want to run one just go for it.
I think that 3 Healer grps will recieve a population boost with old ra's. Triple Healers setups might actually work really well.
If you want to go for Fulltank grps the Setup above would be suitable, I just don't recommend anyone to play Mid/Hib tank grps.

Nef Melody wrote:

Zakoraya wrote:Good point - totally forgot about the Shaman. How about switching one Berserker for a Shaman:

Healer (Pac)
Healer (Aug)
Warrior
Beserker
Beserker
Savage
Shaman
Runemaster.

2 Healers, Shaman and Warrior are usually set. (Warrior could be replaced but I would personally always run one)

The remaining 4 slots can be filled with pretty much everything. Skalds will be way less effective since they loose all of the ra's that made them Strong (SoS,Aotg - the old aotg was quite bad compared to the new one)
I don't really like Tankgrps, if they're not Albs - it's just too easy to get rid of offtanks without them having charge.
I would actually recommend to play atleast 2 casters in a Mid grp if you want to be competitive - some strong Hybrid/Caster setups might look like this

2 Healers,Shaman,Warrior for all of them

+
Bd,Rm,Rm,Zerker
Rm,Rm,Zerker,Zerker
Bd,Rm,Zerker,Zerker
Healer,Rm,Rm,Zerker
Healer,Bd,Rm,Zerker

Savage Dmg is not reliable enough Imo, you can easily outspike a zerker but the overall dps will be lower. Savage will still be viable nonetheless, so if you want to run one just go for it.
I think that 3 Healer grps will recieve a population boost with old ra's. Triple Healers setups might actually work really well.
If you want to go for Fulltank grps the Setup above would be suitable, I just don't recommend anyone to play Mid/Hib tank grps.

Dark RM// RC RM// BD//Zerk FTW

What would be the most optimal 8v8 BD spec? 47 Supp doesn't seem that good for group play.

specter424 wrote:What would be the most optimal 8v8 BD spec? 47 Supp doesn't seem that good for group play.

Bd shall have the instant, uninterruptable 4s recast lifetap with 47 supp specc. Combined with the DD spell it makes decent damage and should not be underestimated. Viable choice should be a dark/supp split specc, too.

Jerrian wrote:

specter424 wrote:What would be the most optimal 8v8 BD spec? 47 Supp doesn't seem that good for group play.

Bd shall have the instant, uninterruptable 4s recast lifetap with 47 supp specc. Combined with the DD spell it makes decent damage and should not be underestimated. Viable choice should be a dark/supp split specc, too.

Is it still 4 sec recast on this patch? It should be 8 sec but not sure. Also with old RAs they will not have pd and playing bd like ppl played in the previous patch will be suicide imo. I'm not sure if you can jump into melee range and beat supporters with your staff while spamming your LT in this patch. Also Sup spec pets are terrible for RvR groups if I'm not wrong. Buffer one spams dmg shield (which is terrible in every setup, even worse for a caster setup) and the other pet heals only the caster and the other bd pets. Darkness should work better (esp for caster setup with cold debuff) since it gives better dps and rupt.

Still I don't know much about this patch, any information would be nice

imamizer wrote:

Jerrian wrote:

specter424 wrote:What would be the most optimal 8v8 BD spec? 47 Supp doesn't seem that good for group play.

Bd shall have the instant, uninterruptable 4s recast lifetap with 47 supp specc. Combined with the DD spell it makes decent damage and should not be underestimated. Viable choice should be a dark/supp split specc, too.

Is it still 4 sec recast on this patch? It should be 8 sec but not sure. Also with old RAs they will not have pd and playing bd like ppl played in the previous patch will be suicide imo. I'm not sure if you can jump into melee range and beat supporters with your staff while spamming your LT in this patch. Also Sup spec pets are terrible for RvR groups if I'm not wrong. Buffer one spams dmg shield (which is terrible in every setup, even worse for a caster setup) and the other pet heals only the caster and the other bd pets. Darkness should work better (esp for caster setup with cold debuff) since it gives better dps and rupt.

Still I don't know much about this patch, any information would be nice

I ´m not pretty sure because I ´ve been a former Hibernia player most of time, but bd shall have access to the 4s lifetap afaik, the nerf was introduced later. Anyway, supp pets suck for grp rvr, yes. I would probably go for the common 39 Dark 37 supp specc if I would aim for group rvr. A BD in melee is always a waste in my opinion, should only be an option if you got nearsighted and no purge rdy

Bonedancers will have a 4s lifetap. 47 Supression is not very good for grp rvr. Splitspec or full Darkness for more utility.

want atleast one zerk for conquer.... lol ask me anything trolololol

want atleast one zerk for conquer.... lol ask me anything trolololol

Oswaldo wrote:want atleast one zerk for conquer.... lol ask me anything trolololol

Look at my setup list before trashtalking please
Thanks for your input tho lol

Jerrian wrote:I would probably go for the common 39 Dark 37 supp specc if I would aim for group rvr.

38 supp you will get Absorb buff 6% instead of 3%
39 dark you will get a little bit higher caster pet

Better double the value of the group absorb buff, or bit higher levels of minions?
Mhmh..