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Celteen
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Postby Celteen » Jul 28, 2014 16:17

Magicco wrote:
Harkon wrote:way harder to be slamed or snared himself because of op 360 ° evade


advanced evade is always evade I, only if the attacks are coming at the front arc, the bm will have the evade III chance
so with this new finding and fixed defense penetration it wont be near op like it was on uth 1.0

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Postby Magicco » Jul 28, 2014 16:34

someone tested it ;-)

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Postby Caemma » Jul 28, 2014 17:04

Magicco wrote:someone tested it ;-)

wich one of the 2 myths? the fixed defence penetration or the advanced evade value? :o
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Postby Austerim » Jul 28, 2014 18:28

Supposedly it was only BM with bugged Advanced Evade too. :oops:
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Postby Blato » Jul 31, 2014 00:38

What do you do if you cannot find anyone else to fill a dps slot and you're forced to group with Austerim?

Should you A.) Try to play like a 7man with an adder?
B.) Tell him what to do via TS?
C.) Do one run with him and then kick him because running with 7 is just as good as an eight man with Austerim?

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Postby Ilerget » Jul 31, 2014 09:29

Blato wrote:What do you do if you cannot find anyone else to fill a dps slot and you're forced to group with Austerim?

Should you A.) Try to play like a 7man with an adder?
B.) Tell him what to do via TS?
C.) Do one run with him and then kick him because running with 7 is just as good as an eight man with Austerim?

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Postby dionz » Jul 31, 2014 12:15

My question is linked with the reply of Harkon: there is no reason for roll an hero in Uthgard 2.0 honestly... or am I wrong?
If someone want a pure tank class go on Mid / Alb :roll:

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Postby Nef Melody » Jul 31, 2014 14:33

dionz wrote:My question is linked with the reply of Harkon: there is no reason for roll an hero in Uthgard 2.0 honestly... or am I wrong?
If someone want a pure tank class go on Mid / Alb :roll:


No, He is wrong with saying that "there is no reason to play a hero"
Both are viable choices (def bm, def Hero) But I think that Hero is the better deftank choice. It is true that BM is the better snarebot, but peeling melees won't be that big of a deal, because lighttanks have no charge anymore makes it very easy to escape from them.
The thing is that you can never fully prevent melee dmg by just snaring, It will happen that some grp member is out of position through cc, and get's caught by melees that way. And if this is the case I can guarantee that you want to have a 50 Shield moblock3 Hero instead of a 42shield bm without mob.
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Postby Celteen » Jul 31, 2014 15:36

50 shield 50 CD 28 blades +MoB3 and that problem is solved ^^
Better peeler, same guard skills -> no need for hero ;)
But at least I would be to lazy to switch shield all the time and roll a hero for def instead, it's not like Uthgard lvl is that high that you need to get the best in slot at all costs :oops:
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Postby pweet » Jul 31, 2014 16:23

Better PF is super important imo since it does not break on DMG, so target can still get debuff nuked --> BM 2x better than Hero.

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Postby Nef Melody » Jul 31, 2014 16:45

Celteen wrote:50 shield 50 CD 28 blades +MoB3 and that problem is solved ^^
Better peeler, same guard skills -> no need for hero ;)
But at least I would be to lazy to switch shield all the time and roll a hero for def instead, it's not like Uthgard lvl is that high that you need to get the best in slot at all costs :oops:


Light tanks can not spec moblock at old ra's as far as I remember. Anways, I don't want to discuss in this topic, you can use others for that matter.
I can just say that I would always play with a Hero, allthough def BM might be a viable choice I prefer Hero for defensive purposes and also for backline dps, it is much better to have burst dmg than sustained dps in your backline and Hero actually deals more dmg if there's no Bladeturn in range, especially if you'd spec prevent flight on the def bm.

What I can assure you is that alb tank grps with sos will 3 shot every caster if you don't have a 50 shield mob 2-3 deftank standing next to it.
Another pro is that a Hero can guard while dealing damage by switching from shield to 2h for one swing, go back to shield and wait the delay. I want to see the defbm who does that with the common dual wielder swingspeed.

Note that everything I wrote doesn't mean that BMs are bad to be used defensive, a BM against tank grps would pretty much just run around to proc PF and change the target and thus be used as some kind of second deftank/peeler, while your support does the rupt job.
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Postby holsten-knight » Jul 31, 2014 20:54

the reason a hero is most of the time better as a def player than a bm is the same why a warrior is better than a thane (with new RA and det 5 for both... and shut up about stoicism): The player accepts his role! While a bm will always tend to be a dd, a hero concentrades more on def.
I witnessed this on myself: It is hard to stay focused (as a melee DD class) on playing def.

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Postby fiskgrodan » Jul 31, 2014 21:39

holsten-knight wrote:the reason a hero is most of the time better as a def player than a bm is the same why a warrior is better than a thane (with new RA and det 5 for both... and shut up about stoicism): The player accepts his role! While a bm will always tend to be a dd, a hero concentrades more on def.
I witnessed this on myself: It is hard to stay focused (as a melee DD class) on playing def.

It's better to stop being an idiot than to adapt your playstyle to being an idiot. ;)
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Postby holsten-knight » Jul 31, 2014 22:43

just prove me wrong, i would love witness the first player immune to this failure :D

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Postby Caemma » Jul 31, 2014 23:07

Blademaster doesnt have Mastery of Block --> bad guarder
But it would be a nice peeler cuz of PF.. [EDIT] --> Hero has PF too, so gtfo! :oops:

holsten-knight wrote:The player accepts his role!
That's what made daoc special, but also boring/enervating at long term!
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