Can you just stfu with seperating 8vs8 from any other way to play the game like 1v1, smallman, zerg, *(whatever the game allows you to do)? Just because you cant accept that you cannot compete with certain players because you are simply to bad to do so, it doesnt give you the right to put your interpretation of how the game should be played above others, because all of them are just dumb. A game is played by the rules, and the main rule of pretty much every game on this planet that is not purely based on luck, says that you will most likely get rekt if you will meet a stronger opponent. Just live with the fact that you will never be the top of the food chain in this game. I know i am not there myself but i cant read those daoc ****** anymore that think their way to play the game is the only right way. I took part in every single playstyle this game has to offer and all of them can be fun, if you think only your style is fun then that is okay too just dont be a vagina and cry about being beat up when you fight in the same ring with Ali all the time.

Scrooge wrote:That right there is what ruined the original game of RvR! Before Spellcrafting and Alchemy - and even before RPs were put into the game as well, people used to play for the fun of it...

I seriously hope Trishin and the other Devs consider trying the scenario(s) I suggested in the other Grab Bag thread, and keeping SC & Alchemy out of the game completely, until SI is finally put in. Let people feel what the game was really like, before the 'perfect class, perfect template, perfect setup' nonsense came along and took away the part where people had to make choices between having high-quality crafted but stat-less gear, or lower quality gear with stats on them.

The reason people were able to goof off in the beginning days of daoc was because everyone was a noob back then. The absence of SC and Alch had nothing to do with it. You really think if you remove SC elite players are suddenly just going to invite anyone and everyone to their group? Absolutely not.

If anything, removing SC would only serve to make things even HARDER on casuals. Because even if there isn't a capped template, there will most certainly be an optimal template. People will still figure out the best possible build with what is available and it will still be a pain in the ass to get. All of the best suits will have to include things like dragon weapons/chestplate whereas, with sc, a casual person with less time to farm dragon is at least able to create a close equivalent to obtain that needed utility.

Trishin wrote:3. What are the Battleground setups?

1. Abermenai - Levels 15-19 - Highest allowed realmrank: 1L2
2. Thidranki - Levels 20-24 - Highest allowed realmrank: 1L3
3. Murdaigean - Levels 25-29 - Highest allowed realmrank: 1L5
4. Caledonia - Levels 30-35 - Highest allowed realmrank: 1L9

Too bad I guess that this will pretty much lead to my departure from uthgard. As a non pro, more casual oriented player I always enjoyed to have a chance to do fast paced rvr in pugs up until lvl 49 with other players who were well within my RA range. Being forced to square off against the many elite player groups as early as lvl 36 will most likely lead to me logging out after being steamrolled 3 times in a row without having the slightest chance to make the fights at least a bit exciting.

Removing later bgs in a game that doesnt have any other sort of matchmaking mechanism is a bad idea imho. I doubt I will have the patience to do only grind from 36 to 50.

[R]Bloodwyne wrote:Can you just stfu with seperating 8vs8 from any other way to play the game like 1v1, smallman, zerg, *(whatever the game allows you to do)? Just because you cant accept that you cannot compete with certain players because you are simply to bad to do so, it doesnt give you the right to put your interpretation of how the game should be played above others, because all of them are just dumb. A game is played by the rules, and the main rule of pretty much every game on this planet that is not purely based on luck, says that you will most likely get rekt if you will meet a stronger opponent. Just live with the fact that you will never be the top of the food chain in this game. I know i am not there myself but i cant read those daoc ****** anymore that think their way to play the game is the only right way. I took part in every single playstyle this game has to offer and all of them can be fun, if you think only your style is fun then that is okay too just dont be a vagina and cry about being beat up when you fight in the same ring with Ali all the time.

I agree, If you want to play a game where you are always the best and the game caters to you feeling super powerful and always winning, go play a single player game. I don't understand why people Complain so much about stupid things. Play the game and get better and develop your character. If you cant beat XYZ this month, maybe next month you finally beat XYZ, than nother month later.. you guys are 40% 60% in who wins.. Atleast you see progression and a sense of accomplishment. It cant always be EZ mode

blubbo wrote:Just my personal opinion:

I am one of the guys who haven't played much endgame RvR (had two RR4L7, three RR4L2) on Uthgard v1. My only problem I ever had with the frontiers is the enormous time spent to wait for the porters, then run from mpk to amg, then wait for enemies. Let's be honest, it just takes a sh*tload of time to do RvR in the frontiers. And I don't have this time anymore. I would like to have fast-paced action and Thidranki provided it perfectly fine. I hadn't this much fun again later in the frontiers.

I honestly question myself if this oldschool setting is still acceptable nowadays. If you would provide both, some battlegrounds (rr4-rr7, rr7-rr10...) AND the frontiers, I am pretty sure that 80% of the people (also those who played PvE-only before) would play in the battlegrounds and not in the frontiers. It's slightly less time consuming and thus a lot more fun!

I know this is out of discussion, but yoo.. ain't nobody got time fo dat!

Yes lets split the population in more different areas! my god you people are so freaking stupid, complaining about not enough action in the frontiers, so you want bgs.. imagine, like its going to be now.. there will be no bg to lvl 49, which forces people into real rvr, then the amount of people in the frontiers will freaking rise...

this is the same stupid complaints 24/7..

Honestly if all of you believe you have a perfect solution for a daoc server, maybe open your own server? heck pay me for coding and ill do it for you

CaptnIglo wrote:

Trishin wrote:3. What are the Battleground setups?

1. Abermenai - Levels 15-19 - Highest allowed realmrank: 1L2
2. Thidranki - Levels 20-24 - Highest allowed realmrank: 1L3
3. Murdaigean - Levels 25-29 - Highest allowed realmrank: 1L5
4. Caledonia - Levels 30-35 - Highest allowed realmrank: 1L9

Too bad I guess that this will pretty much lead to my departure from uthgard. As a non pro, more casual oriented player I always enjoyed to have a chance to do fast paced rvr in pugs up until lvl 49 with other players who were well within my RA range. Being forced to square off against the many elite player groups as early as lvl 36 will most likely lead to me logging out after being steamrolled 3 times in a row without having the slightest chance to make the fights at least a bit exciting.

Removing later bgs in a game that doesnt have any other sort of matchmaking mechanism is a bad idea imho. I doubt I will have the patience to do only grind from 36 to 50.

Dont let the door hit you on the way out! Seriously... if theres a group owning you, run 2 groups? As a former member of a decent guild group we took no pleasure in running over a casual group, and we would welcome them to come with 2 fgs for a closer battle...

Oswaldo wrote:

CaptnIglo wrote:

Trishin wrote:3. What are the Battleground setups?

1. Abermenai - Levels 15-19 - Highest allowed realmrank: 1L2
2. Thidranki - Levels 20-24 - Highest allowed realmrank: 1L3
3. Murdaigean - Levels 25-29 - Highest allowed realmrank: 1L5
4. Caledonia - Levels 30-35 - Highest allowed realmrank: 1L9

Too bad I guess that this will pretty much lead to my departure from uthgard. As a non pro, more casual oriented player I always enjoyed to have a chance to do fast paced rvr in pugs up until lvl 49 with other players who were well within my RA range. Being forced to square off against the many elite player groups as early as lvl 36 will most likely lead to me logging out after being steamrolled 3 times in a row without having the slightest chance to make the fights at least a bit exciting.

Removing later bgs in a game that doesnt have any other sort of matchmaking mechanism is a bad idea imho. I doubt I will have the patience to do only grind from 36 to 50.

Dont let the door hit you on the way out! Seriously... if theres a group owning you, run 2 groups? As a former member of a decent guild group we took no pleasure in running over a casual group, and we would welcome them to come with 2 fgs for a closer battle...

This is perfect right here. Someone explains why they may not play on uthgard because they do not want to be fodder for elites and vets and explains why they have another play style than the l337 8man.

Your response? Just leave we don't want you anyways.

How can you be so ****** obtuse? You guys can all jerk each other off on an empty server if this is the attitude that prevails.


So many players bg it up because they find when they get to the endgame there is nothing there for them. In this case it will be to be food for the epeens of the l337 while they are farmed. No rps while dead means they will get almost no rps period after hours of being farmed.

relvinian wrote:This is perfect right here. Someone explains why they may not play on uthgard because they do not want to be fodder for elites and vets and explains why they have another play style than the l337 8man.

Your response? Just leave we don't want you anyways.

How can you be so ****** obtuse?

Have you ever heard the phrase strenght in numbers? group up and zerg a freaking group you cant kill... This is how daoc was at this patch lvl, there was no weakass lvl 49 bg where "world of warcraft kids" could screw around in because they are scared they might die in the frontier!

Not saying no one cant play here, im just stating that it sounds like all of you wise people have the perfect solution for the best ever daoc server, go do it your self?

Oh yea now you ll be like, they should listen to their "customers" bla bla bla, last time i checked no one on Uthgard is getting paid for what they are doing, they can do what the hell they want, if they wanna add toa they can do that as well, get the picture?

How would you feel if i went over to McDonald and told you to flip the hamburgers in another way?

Although I always enjoyed battlegrounds, I applaud the shifting focus on big boy RvR. In the long run, it can only help the population in the frontiers because less people will be inclined to reroll endless battleground chars.

Concerning the fairness debate, I frankly don't understand why one picks DAoC if one is constantly yearning for fair, arena-style fights. Imbalance is part of the game and, unlike many modern games, mimicks actual warfare in that regard. If you have inferior weaponry (less skilled / no set group), you bring in more material to tip the scales back in your favour (zerging).

Of course you should not believe the "only 8v8 is good" mentality, rhetoric only spouted by individuals who benefit from such an idea in the first place. On the other hand, you shouldn't start crying if one of those groups steamrolls you due to superior skill and coordination or, even worse, externalise the reasons for defeat (common in many currently popular games). It is a basic psychological reality that people's value judgments mostly coincide with their abilities and interests. I think if more people kept that in mind, the forums would be a lot less opinionated.

Removing later bgs in a game that doesnt have any other sort of matchmaking mechanism is a bad idea imho. I doubt I will have the patience to do only grind from 36 to 50.[/quote]

Dont let the door hit you on the way out! Seriously... if theres a group owning you, run 2 groups? As a former member of a decent guild group we took no pleasure in running over a casual group, and we would welcome them to come with 2 fgs for a closer battle...[/quote]


This is perfect right here. Someone explains why they may not play on uthgard because they do not want to be fodder for elites and vets and explains why they have another play style than the l337 8man.

Your response? Just leave we don't want you anyways.

How can you be so ****** obtuse? You guys can all jerk each other off on an empty server if this is the attitude that prevails.


So many players bg it up because they find when they get to the endgame there is nothing there for them. In this case it will be to be food for the epeens of the l337 while they are farmed. No rps while dead means they will get almost no rps period after hours of being farmed.[/quote]

You hit it right on the head! These guys have no clue on the general population. Its like maybe 10% want to be the elite/epeen players and the rest just want to have fun. A lot of old school players want an awesome old school DAoC server and if the staff listens to the elitists, this server will fail and fail miserably. Putting up lvl 36 vs lvl 50s is just plain stupid, no matter how people try and justify it. When the server goes live, it wont be so bad but after a few month, it will just be eliteville and only the jackwad groups roaming around. Telling the rest of us to "zerg" is just stupid. I do understand that if you cant beat a group 8v8 it is common to come back to the battle with more players or another 8 man. But in no way, shape or form would a mixed lvl group of 2 8 mans would ever beat a group of 50s. Especially if that 8 man has been RvRing and has a lot of RA's.

Oswaldo wrote:

relvinian wrote:This is perfect right here. Someone explains why they may not play on uthgard because they do not want to be fodder for elites and vets and explains why they have another play style than the l337 8man.

Your response? Just leave we don't want you anyways.

How can you be so ****** obtuse?

Have you ever heard the phrase strenght in numbers? group up and zerg a freaking group you cant kill... This is how daoc was at this patch lvl, there was no weakass lvl 49 bg where "world of warcraft kids" could screw around in because they are scared they might die in the frontier!

Not saying no one cant play here, im just stating that it sounds like all of you wise people have the perfect solution for the best ever daoc server, go do it your self?

Oh yea now you ll be like, they should listen to their "customers" bla bla bla, last time i checked no one on Uthgard is getting paid for what they are doing, they can do what the hell they want, if they wanna add toa they can do that as well, get the picture?

How would you feel if i went over to McDonald and told you to flip the hamburgers in another way?

Strength in numbers on an empty server.

Mcdonalds? LOL

relvinian wrote:

Oswaldo wrote:

relvinian wrote:This is perfect right here. Someone explains why they may not play on uthgard because they do not want to be fodder for elites and vets and explains why they have another play style than the l337 8man.

Your response? Just leave we don't want you anyways.

How can you be so ****** obtuse?

Have you ever heard the phrase strenght in numbers? group up and zerg a freaking group you cant kill... This is how daoc was at this patch lvl, there was no weakass lvl 49 bg where "world of warcraft kids" could screw around in because they are scared they might die in the frontier!

Not saying no one cant play here, im just stating that it sounds like all of you wise people have the perfect solution for the best ever daoc server, go do it your self?

Oh yea now you ll be like, they should listen to their "customers" bla bla bla, last time i checked no one on Uthgard is getting paid for what they are doing, they can do what the hell they want, if they wanna add toa they can do that as well, get the picture?

How would you feel if i went over to McDonald and told you to flip the hamburgers in another way?

Strength in numbers on an empty server.

Mcdonalds? LOL

Thats what they are failing to see. Elitists attitudes and game play drives off the casual player.

Oh, sorry if I can spend more time than you on this videogame.

Juri wrote:Oh, sorry if I can spend more time than you on this videogame.

DAMN YOU, IT IS NOT ALLOWED!!!

Anyway relvinian buddy and your gang, why should the devs listen to your opinion? Seems like more people agree with the devs on uthgard than crying about stuff..

Yea McDonald, because god help me so if you have a more important job in the world flipping hamburgers, thats just down right scary.

But keep crying like a child here, can say alot about the uthgard admins, but theres a reason why this is the only freeshard server that has run for so many years, and thats because they dont give into retarded requests from some burgerflipping hippie.

"
Anyway relvinian buddy and your gang, why should the devs listen to your opinion?"

Actually the server ran with a higher patch level for about 9 years and then they self destructed and change patch level got rid of pots, gave rps for greys, and no rps while dead AND PLAYERS LEFT IN DROVES.

Why should they listen to me?

Because they worked 15 months on uthgard 2 and if they don't listen to their players they will FAIL.

This is what it will look like:

Big huge opening with lots of players.
6 months later ghost town.

Telling people they don't like it to quit. Telling people to quit crying. Personal attacks.

This is the standard playbook for this forum.