Krossfire wrote: my former troll shaman

In terms of race, are all of them fairly viable for shaman? I like the idea of the Troll (even though it makes me a bigger/easier target), but don't wanna gimp myself too much stat-wise and I've never played Mid, so I'm not sure how their stat spread looks.

testz0rz wrote:

Krossfire wrote: my former troll shaman

In terms of race, are all of them fairly viable for shaman? I like the idea of the Troll (even though it makes me a bigger/easier target), but don't wanna gimp myself too much stat-wise and I've never played Mid, so I'm not sure how their stat spread looks.

plz go roll a troll shaman. they are just plain bad. extremely low dex(!!) and the huge model make troll shamans one of the worst class/race combinations in daoc. i would put it on the same level as an avalonian arms.

you cast alot slower.... alot slower, the only reason i made one on Uthgard 1.0 was because that was my first char on daoc live.

would i advise making one? no.

Rolling a shaman for damage potential in an average Midgard group is counter intuitive. They are a great class with three quality skill lines. However, a shaman for 8v8 will almost always be expected to buff (provide red endo), and without that groups will not typically want to run you.

Krossfire wrote:also, theres other specs you can go, personally i go 42 aug for red end, then the rest into mending. nobody ever expects a shaman to hold their own in the healing department. my former troll shaman can testify to that. with a good group who knows how to peel an enemy off somebody while still maintaining combat your shaman can save the battle, i know, i've done it with heals.

a little tougher in the gameplay, but if you can learn to make it work, i personally like it.

Yes, with a mend spec troll shaman you can save the battle if you're fighting against people with IQ lower than 75. Basically you're saying that the entire group should be amazing so shaman could be free to heal, which is not his job in the first place xD. We're discussing about rvr situations against people who are at least average, because you can win with any kind of setup/idiotic specs on classes against morons. Kobold shaman, 15 dex/10 piety, root their support, communicate well with healers so you don't break mezz as much(you'll often break it, but try to minimize it with good communication), spam single disease on rooted targets and any caster in your range, hit pbae disease whenever a tanks passes by you and try to cure disease on your tanks in the front.

BullMoose wrote:

mgX wrote:The group HoT is also OP as hell if you went the healer road.

I thought the group HoT was pretty crappy for a long time. I must be thinking of a different period in the game.

The red group hot is 30 sec with 141 base. Compare that to the red menty hot which is 10sec and 118. It gives a remarkable cushioning effect that helps the healers a lot.

mgX wrote:

BullMoose wrote:

mgX wrote:The group HoT is also OP as hell if you went the healer road.

I thought the group HoT was pretty crappy for a long time. I must be thinking of a different period in the game.

The red group hot is 30 sec with 141 base. Compare that to the red menty hot which is 10sec and 118. It gives a remarkable cushioning effect that helps the healers a lot.

but to achieve that your spec will lack a lot of tools necessary and you basically need a 2nd shaman in your grp imo

Sztyk wrote:but to achieve that your spec will lack a lot of tools necessary and you basically need a 2nd shaman in your grp imo

That is true. You can drop buffs to yellow and get the yellow HoT and just ignore cave all together.

mgX wrote:

Sztyk wrote:but to achieve that your spec will lack a lot of tools necessary and you basically need a 2nd shaman in your grp imo

That is true. You can drop buffs to yellow and get the yellow HoT and just ignore cave all together.

Ignore the insta pbae disease and better buffs/resists for ****** heal that is pretty much insignificant in group rvr? Really, those few not very frequent ticks will not help a target getting trained by tanks or cast assisted after debuff.

Valfar wrote:

mgX wrote:

Sztyk wrote:but to achieve that your spec will lack a lot of tools necessary and you basically need a 2nd shaman in your grp imo

That is true. You can drop buffs to yellow and get the yellow HoT and just ignore cave all together.

Ignore the insta pbae disease and better buffs/resists for ****** heal that is pretty much insignificant in group rvr? Really, those few not very frequent ticks will not help a target getting trained by tanks or cast assisted after debuff.

By the account we can ignore healing all together.

shm speced in mend for rvr will struggle. period. its not your job.

pbae disease is too strong to entertain the mend line.

mgX wrote:

BullMoose wrote:

mgX wrote:The group HoT is also OP as hell if you went the healer road.

I thought the group HoT was pretty crappy for a long time. I must be thinking of a different period in the game.

The red group hot is 30 sec with 141 base. Compare that to the red menty hot which is 10sec and 118. It gives a remarkable cushioning effect that helps the healers a lot.

Mentalist hot frequency should be much faster than shamans. Mentalist have a true HoT and shamans is health regen which should tick slower while in combat and has a lower frequency even outside of combat. Assuming it works correctly here.

I don't agree with alot of this at all,

Troll shaman is definatly the way to go if you ask me,

1. You can carry alot
2. You have a ton of HP - If your a buff shaman like me, all people want you for is the buffs, you got to be able to survive not a weakling Kobold.
3. You get to look ****** sweet as a troll.


At the end of the day play what you think looks cool but I don't have ANY problems as a Troll Shaman.

Fifield2 wrote:I don't agree with alot of this at all,

Troll shaman is definatly the way to go if you ask me,

1. You can carry alot
2. You have a ton of HP - If your a buff shaman like me, all people want you for is the buffs, you got to be able to survive not a weakling Kobold.
3. You get to look ****** sweet as a troll.


At the end of the day play what you think looks cool but I don't have ANY problems as a Troll Shaman.

People are asking questions and the goal of the discussion is figure out what's best. No reason to troll in a topic like this. Let's assume for 1 second that you are not trolling and are just stupid(can't fix that, sadly). HP mostly depends on your class(con and hits gain per level), not on your race. Your job is to rupt, root support, disease everything, cure disease when you can and position yourself well so that tanks always have endo, while trying to avoid enemy casters range. The 20 extra constitution is not much more hp in the long run, and it only really matters in melee SOLO rvr. Since you're not a melee class, it's pointless. I honestly don't see how carrying alone or being a walking buffbot is something any group would want you for in rvr.

I was not trolling, I played a Troll Shaman on live and loved it,

Iunno, wasnt trying to be rude or misguide anyone, just saying I like them the best.