This thread has turned absurd. The patch is melee... warden, hero and bm's are going to be very vital. Bard and druids are always important. You guys seriously think hib bomb group is the only thing that is going to exist? I'm not so sure...

Edit: Oh, I re-read and I see the discussion suddenly turned on pve? Seriously who cares about pve groups.. just invite whatever class?

norlin wrote:This thread has turned absurd. The patch is melee... warden, hero and bm's are going to be very vital. Bard and druids are always important. You guys seriously think hib bomb group is the only thing that is going to exist? I'm not so sure...

Edit: Oh, I re-read and I see the discussion suddenly turned on pve? Seriously who cares about pve groups.. just invite whatever class?

I agree with your edit but the mindset over here is that if the character isn't able to pbae, drop shrooms or cast mana regen then people don't want them in their xp groups. It's a stupid mindset I know but it's pretty prevalent in hib.

I disagree that the RvR groups will be completely cookie cutter and if so I would hate to be a part of your guild if you enforce those setups and don't allow deviation. This is a video game meant to be enjoyed. If all you care about is winning and min/maxing while sacrificing the amount of fun you and others could be having by changing things up I think that's pretty sad unless everyone is in agreement.

If my friends want to run a VW and a Warden in a group together then I say try and find a setup that works around that the best way you can. In the end you might not be the "strongest" group on paper and you might lose your share of 8v8 fights but you don't need to win them all.

I agree with most people about players rolling a chanter, menty or animist for their first classes as they are the easiest to level and least gear-dependent. Why not start off on a good foot? I'll probably do the same thing. However, the classes I'll probably play the most in the late-game will be a Blademaster (as my main was one in live) and a Warden because I've always wanted to try one.

Bottom line I think you should play whatever class you enjoy playing and you'll find a spot with someone and/or a guild at some point. Dealing with elitists who exclude people for what they're playing...

Dogmans wrote:I disagree that the RvR groups will be completely cookie cutter and if so I would hate to be a part of your guild if you enforce those setups and don't allow deviation. This is a video game meant to be enjoyed. If all you care about is winning and min/maxing while sacrificing the amount of fun you and others could be having by changing things up I think that's pretty sad unless everyone is in agreement.

If my friends want to run a VW and a Warden in a group together then I say try and find a setup that works around that the best way you can. In the end you might not be the "strongest" group on paper and you might lose your share of 8v8 fights but you don't need to win them all.

I agree with most people about players rolling a chanter, menty or animist for their first classes as they are the easiest to level and least gear-dependent. Why not start off on a good foot? I'll probably do the same thing. However, the classes I'll probably play the most in the late-game will be a Blademaster (as my main was one in live) and a Warden because I've always wanted to try one.

Bottom line I think you should play whatever class you enjoy playing and you'll find a spot with someone and/or a guild at some point. Dealing with elitists who exclude people for what they're playing...

For the most part you are correct in what you are saying. But you have to remember that this game IS very competitive. Where there may be a lot of people that play the game for it's fun content (which of course is true, welcomed and very vital to the servers goal) there are plenty more people who want to compete in rvr. And let's face it, if you could win every single battle in the frontiers then you would right?

People don't like to lose, no matter how inevitable it is.


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The cookie-cutter, or whatever , setup we have is what our discussion ended on. We started by saying everyone can just pick the class they feel like and the group will adapt.. and LOL we still end up with the standard setup Also I'm not saying that if my friend is only online on his bm we will not invite the champ lfg etc. Why is this discussion so narrow minded :- )

Dogmans wrote:I disagree that the RvR groups will be completely cookie cutter and if so I would hate to be a part of your guild if you enforce those setups and don't allow deviation. This is a video game meant to be enjoyed. If all you care about is winning and min/maxing while sacrificing the amount of fun you and others could be having by changing things up I think that's pretty sad unless everyone is in agreement.

If my friends want to run a VW and a Warden in a group together then I say try and find a setup that works around that the best way you can. In the end you might not be the "strongest" group on paper and you might lose your share of 8v8 fights but you don't need to win them all.

I agree with most people about players rolling a chanter, menty or animist for their first classes as they are the easiest to level and least gear-dependent. Why not start off on a good foot? I'll probably do the same thing. However, the classes I'll probably play the most in the late-game will be a Blademaster (as my main was one in live) and a Warden because I've always wanted to try one.

Bottom line I think you should play whatever class you enjoy playing and you'll find a spot with someone and/or a guild at some point. Dealing with elitists who exclude people for what they're playing...

If people had the choice to run an ideal comp everytime going out the gate I would like to imagine that most would. Probably not everybody, but games get patched because certain classes prove underwhelming or just don't do well and need some tweaking. We already know the history of this game, what classes do what and excel where, there isn't some mystery to investigate with what will do well against what. It is a personal choice as to what to roll, just as it is the choice of a group leader what classes to invite into a group. This game is not new, most people that play it have a firm grasp about what is ideal and how to efficiently use their time to get through the tedious part of the game (1-50) so that the real game can start. Each realm uses the tools in which they are given to get to 50 efficiently, Hib was blessed with the ability to level faster, sadly this does not really help much for level 50 RvR.

Falken wrote:If people had the choice to run an ideal comp everytime going out the gate I would like to imagine that most would. Probably not everybody, but games get patched because certain classes prove underwhelming or just don't do well and need some tweaking. We already know the history of this game, what classes do what and excel where, there isn't some mystery to investigate with what will do well against what. It is a personal choice as to what to roll, just as it is the choice of a group leader what classes to invite into a group. This game is not new, most people that play it have a firm grasp about what is ideal and how to efficiently use their time to get through the tedious part of the game (1-50) so that the real game can start. Each realm uses the tools in which they are given to get to 50 efficiently, Hib was blessed with the ability to level faster, sadly this does not really help much for level 50 RvR.

This is pretty much spot on. This patch level was chosen as it probably the most balanced of its era. Being more knowledgable now than we were back then helps us decide in advance what classes will out-perform others.

Call it cookie-cutter or call it ignorance to the 'other' classes; it's the way it works.


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Falken wrote:If people had the choice to run an ideal comp everytime going out the gate I would like to imagine that most would. Probably not everybody, but games get patched because certain classes prove underwhelming or just don't do well and need some tweaking. We already know the history of this game, what classes do what and excel where, there isn't some mystery to investigate with what will do well against what. It is a personal choice as to what to roll, just as it is the choice of a group leader what classes to invite into a group. This game is not new, most people that play it have a firm grasp about what is ideal and how to efficiently use their time to get through the tedious part of the game (1-50) so that the real game can start. Each realm uses the tools in which they are given to get to 50 efficiently, Hib was blessed with the ability to level faster, sadly this does not really help much for level 50 RvR.

This is pretty much spot on. This patch level was chosen as it probably the most balanced of its era. Being more knowledgable now than we were back then helps us decide in advance what classes will out-perform others.

Call it cookie-cutter or call it ignorance to the 'other' classes; it's the way it works.


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Most people understand that certain classes are favored in rvr 8 man groups. It's when you start not inviting people to pve groups because of their class where I think things get a little out of hand in Hib. Not everyone wants to play a chanter/mentalist/animist.

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barto22 wrote:

Falken wrote:If people had the choice to run an ideal comp everytime going out the gate I would like to imagine that most would. Probably not everybody, but games get patched because certain classes prove underwhelming or just don't do well and need some tweaking. We already know the history of this game, what classes do what and excel where, there isn't some mystery to investigate with what will do well against what. It is a personal choice as to what to roll, just as it is the choice of a group leader what classes to invite into a group. This game is not new, most people that play it have a firm grasp about what is ideal and how to efficiently use their time to get through the tedious part of the game (1-50) so that the real game can start. Each realm uses the tools in which they are given to get to 50 efficiently, Hib was blessed with the ability to level faster, sadly this does not really help much for level 50 RvR.

This is pretty much spot on. This patch level was chosen as it probably the most balanced of its era. Being more knowledgable now than we were back then helps us decide in advance what classes will out-perform others.

Call it cookie-cutter or call it ignorance to the 'other' classes; it's the way it works.


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Most people understand that certain classes are favored in rvr 8 man groups. It's when you start not inviting people to pve groups because of their class where I think things get a little out of hand in Hib. Not everyone wants to play a chanter/mentalist/animist.

So someone did not want you in their group? Did you /q or start a new group I wonder

HatTrick wrote:Most people understand that certain classes are favored in rvr 8 man groups. It's when you start not inviting people to pve groups because of their class where I think things get a little out of hand in Hib. Not everyone wants to play a chanter/mentalist/animist.

So you're saying you want to roll a nightshade for example and still be invited to dedicated focus pull groups? Dream on.

You can find plenty of players to group with that aren't focus pulling but I guess you want to level as fast as a mana chanter can without the whole rolling a mana chanter part of it?


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HatTrick wrote:Most people understand that certain classes are favored in rvr 8 man groups. It's when you start not inviting people to pve groups because of their class where I think things get a little out of hand in Hib. Not everyone wants to play a chanter/mentalist/animist.

So you're saying you want to roll a nightshade for example and still be invited to dedicated focus pull groups? Dream on.

You can find plenty of players to group with that aren't focus pulling but I guess you want to level as fast as a mana chanter can without the whole rolling a mana chanter part of it?


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Nice try at psychoanalysis but honestly I don't care about my pace of leveling very much at all. I've yet to turn my LFG flag on or ask outside my guild for a group with any of my characters so my comments aren't about me.

That said, we are in a pretty decent sized alliance and the alliance message of the day is a reminder to include tanks in your groups. I see melee classes in /as asking for groups all the time and people won't take them even when they have room because they aren't going to help them kill faster. That to me is selfish. We all realize Hibs can level without tanks but you're going to need them at some point so why not do someone a solid when you have room and get them some xp. It isn't gonna kill anybody to do that.

barto22 wrote:

HatTrick wrote:Most people understand that certain classes are favored in rvr 8 man groups. It's when you start not inviting people to pve groups because of their class where I think things get a little out of hand in Hib. Not everyone wants to play a chanter/mentalist/animist.

So you're saying you want to roll a nightshade for example and still be invited to dedicated focus pull groups? Dream on.

You can find plenty of players to group with that aren't focus pulling but I guess you want to level as fast as a mana chanter can without the whole rolling a mana chanter part of it?


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HatTrick wrote:Nice try at psychoanalysis but honestly I don't care about my pace of leveling very much at all. I've yet to turn my LFG flag on or ask outside my guild for a group with any of my characters so my comments aren't about me.

That said, we are in a pretty decent sized alliance and the alliance message of the day is a reminder to include tanks in your groups. I see melee classes in /as asking for groups all the time and people won't take them even when they have room because they aren't going to help them kill faster. That to me is selfish. We all realize Hibs can level without tanks but you're going to need them at some point so why not do someone a solid when you have room and get them some xp. It isn't gonna kill anybody to do that.

Sounds to me like your guild or alliance sucks. Sorry to be frank. It's not the size that matters, it's how you use it... Or so I'm told

barto22 wrote:

HatTrick wrote:Nice try at psychoanalysis but honestly I don't care about my pace of leveling very much at all. I've yet to turn my LFG flag on or ask outside my guild for a group with any of my characters so my comments aren't about me.

That said, we are in a pretty decent sized alliance and the alliance message of the day is a reminder to include tanks in your groups. I see melee classes in /as asking for groups all the time and people won't take them even when they have room because they aren't going to help them kill faster. That to me is selfish. We all realize Hibs can level without tanks but you're going to need them at some point so why not do someone a solid when you have room and get them some xp. It isn't gonna kill anybody to do that.

Sounds to me like your guild or alliance sucks. Sorry to be frank. It's not the size that matters, it's how you use it... Or so I'm told

You might have a point except for 2 things:

#1. My latest character I left in the starter guild until level 11 to get a better idea of what is going on with the general population. I saw the same thing in that /as that I saw in ours; tank/melee toons spamming for groups with not much success.

#2. I didn't start beta in Hib, I started in Alb and the class discrimination just doesn't happen there. Sure, there is the same general disregard for stealth classes but Arms, Reaver, Mercs, Pally, they all don't have problems getting groups.

So those two things considered, I'm left to conclude it's a Hibernia issue and not a guild or alliance issue.

Hib has always been underdog, I remember some EU liveservers enabling free /level 30 instead of 20 for Hibs to boost the population. This was over 10 years ago when literally no one was min/maxing stuff in this game.