Nevermind, some1 posted this 2006, idk if hes right or not but if he is, then it explains why


the problem with doing so is that if you then decide to change your weapon from Hammer to Sword you are forced to keep 12 spec in Hammer, so your back with the same numbers that you began with.

I levelled my warrrior from lvl1 (first 50 etc) and always had 50weapon, 50shield and 28parry +the 12 in the other two weapons. The autotraining simply wont benefit a warrior who levelled 'properly' so to speak. Does that clearify anything?

Kaischler wrote:ok, now im confused, cause u say warrior cant AT if he specs any weapon, right now i did spec sword from lvl 2-11 and got AT on Axe and Hammer, also thats how i remember AT... or im wrong and its a bug

It's not that confusing. You trained sword so your hammer and axe has been raised to 2 with 4 AT points (2 for each). But if you respec to switch weapon right now, that 4 points plus 2 more points will automatically go to all 3 lines and increase them to level 2. So your way does not give any extra points for final spec because the extra points will go to some line that you will not use anyway since you can't keep auto train lines at level 1.

Usual way is to spec axe for leveling, and have the auto trained sword/hammer available for lvl 50 specs.

I asked a lvl 42 warrior about autotraining in game last night. He had 'autotrained' sword by going axe all the way up to 40. The he had respecced to sword. When we counted his skillpoints it showed that he did not have any benefit from the autotraining!

So for a warrior to autotrain their melee lines, they have to level up without spending any points in ANY of the melee lines (Sword / Hammer / Axe)!

This, combined with the very small increase it gives you anyway, just means. Don't go for autotraining, it's not worth the hassle.

This is how I remember it: After respec you would get reset to the achieved AT value instead of 1. The AT bonus points never entered the pool of freely allocatable points. They are also never lost on respecs. They increase your baseline for that spec line. To benefit from it you had to use the AT line in your build after the respec.

here is some supporting evidence:
https://forums.freddyshouse.com/threads ... ain.46531/
http://www.camelotherald.com/more/1536.shtml
(defunct and apparently not cached, but replicated here:)
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/auto- ... -348372708

dabri0n wrote:Usual way is to spec axe for leveling, and have the auto trained sword/hammer available for lvl 50 specs.

It doesn't matter which weapon line you spec for leveling as long as you only spec one of them till 48. You get 154 points for the 2 AT lines, but the 77 of them goes to axe when you respec (which you will not use at 50 in this case).

It doesn't matter in principle. But axe is the most useless line in mid, so it kinda matters if you want to have your at points in the more attractive lines "sword" and "hammer".

The other statement flew over my head.. or makes no sense..

Point is you can't have your AT points in the more attractive line that way. If you level with sword, you get 154 AT points. If you level with crush, 154 again. You just don't get 77 points for one line (axe) but when you respec, 77 points go to axe automaticly and makes it level 12. So you cannot keep the 'less attactive line' at level 1. If it's still not clear, I think I will pass.

Could someone translate pls ?

dabri0n wrote:Could someone translate pls ?

He is saying that warrior can't AT by spec'ing in an unwanted line then respec'ing post AT.

Read Trishin's link, but it works like this.

You spec Hammer up to 48. You see Sword/Axe AT up to 12. You think you'll get an extra 77 points right? Wrong. The game will subtract those 77 points when you respec out to keep your Hammer at 12. So you end up with zero extra points.

Now that I think about it, that's the key point. When you unspec Hammer, it stays at 12, not 1.

Hope this helps.

All AT lines ALWAYS end with 12 on them

What about:

50 Shield
39 Axe/Sword
39 Hammer
20 Parry
5 Thrown Weap ( )

1 pt left over with full auto-train - 2 damage types / solid parry / Brutalize / Slam and composite 50 weap skill on both lines.

You could even drop shield to 42 for more parry.

As warrior having slash (against cleric/druid/minstrel/merc) and crush (bard/bm) at the same time is great but going for 42 shield is a big NoNo for a main tank/peeler. Some miss, evade, block, parry in a row for your slam can change everything in a fight.

Btw it's not full autotrain. With your spec you will have 78 points unused. Full auto for warrior gives 231 extra points so you can go for;
50 shield
39 hammer
39 sword/axe
24 parry
2 throw
and zero points left.

imamizer wrote:As warrior having slash (against cleric/druid/minstrel/merc) and crush (bard/bm) at the same time is great but going for 42 shield is a big NoNo for a main tank/peeler. Some miss, evade, block, parry in a row for your slam can change everything in a fight.

Btw it's not full autotrain. With your spec you will have 78 points unused. Full auto for warrior gives 231 extra points so you can go for;
50 shield
39 hammer
39 sword/axe
24 parry
2 throw
and zero points left.

Thanks for the response and the information

Incidentally I actually gave this a go (I appreciate that it is only i30 atm) but put all points into shield/parry and just using the auto-train pts in the weapon lines.

Actually have 3 qbars set up (1 for each ).

Painful is the word I would use to describe it, sword and axe taunts are available fairly early but your damage is terrible (to be expected) therefore solo is a slow chore.

Is all this really worth some extra pts at the end of the day? I guess only the player can decide (if you are getting PL'ed to 50 it might be fine) but I doubt PLing will be happening anytime soon at/after launch....

So quite a lot of this:

for not a lot back ultimately it would seem.

Imho