Kryss wrote:

RonELuvv wrote: [...]

40 Path
35 Bow
33 Pierce
29 Cd
32 Stealth

That is at RR7L+ so I have +17 to all.

What anytime style u using with this spec? Squall or pierc? Did u do some testings?

I use the squall for my anytime style to back up my other styles. I've tried the bumblebee style but I just feel like I do better with squall. Really either of the 2 taunts are decent for anytimes. Obviously, if I was more mele spec'd I would love to get the hurrican/solar flare anytime, but I just dont see how I can do that and keep path and bow where I want them.

RonELuvv wrote:Obviously, if I was more mele spec'd I would love to get the hurrican/solar flare anytime, but I just dont see how I can do that and keep path and bow where I want them.

hurrican solar flare isnt that good specially against stealthers, hurrican is same damage as taunt but drains alot more end, solar flare is same end and slightly more damage. If ur 2nd style gets evaded/missed/blocked u loose on it and its much easier to fail styles when u have to keep track on what follow up style u have to use. If i fight multiple enemies or know its gonna be a long fight i use squall only to preserve end.

Which spec is better ?

all spec are with 35 bow

1
40 path
35 stealth
32 pierce
29 cd

2
48 path
34 stealth
30 pierce
19 cd

3
31 path
35 stealth
30 pierce
40 cd

I prefer option 1 the best. Those self buffs are nice, unless you plan on running w/ extra buff barrels and charges. Remember, at some point in the future you will be restricted to just 2 buff/charges so at that point 40 path will almost be a must for most rangers.

I know this is an old post but:

Is the final spec AF worth pushing for at 42 PF?

Trying to work a spec around it is leaving too many unspent pts (negating the point of auto-training a tad )

morry1000 wrote:I know this is an old post but:

Is the final spec AF worth pushing for at 42 PF?

Trying to work a spec around it is leaving too many unspent pts (negating the point of auto-training a tad )

Nothing I have read says going to 42PF is worth it. I'm not going to find sources because I've read 100's of posts from 2003 :p

The sweet spot for PF seems to be, according to various sources, 36 or 40. I'd lean more towards 40 on Uthgard for better STR and DEX/QUI.

Ofc a lot of posts from back then say lower, even 9PF, but this was with a buffbot.

morry1000 wrote:Is the final spec AF worth pushing for at 42 PF?

its a base af imo, useless

Thanks for the info

Taking into consideration the entire thread I have the following:

Luri / Pierce / 10 str/con/dex (aug qui for dodger would mean pretty much hitting qui hard cap)

Full Auto-train

40 PF
35 bow
35 Stealth
26 Pierce
35 CD

or:

Celt / Blades / 10 str/con/qui

Full Auto-train

40 PF
21 Bow
35 Stealth
34 Blades
39 CD

As a more melee orientated toon. And use exclusively CD styles. I appreciate that people say that assassin poison will hurt a blades user too much, but most of the people you will go up against stealth-wise will be either neutral or weak to slash?

Another question that sprang to mind, is it even possible to make a template with+11 to 4 skills and cap pretty much everything else? Or will it cost eleventy billion plat?

Whaddya all reckon?

morry1000 wrote:Thanks for the info

Taking into consideration the entire thread I have the following:

Luri / Pierce / 10 str/con/dex (aug qui for dodger would mean pretty much hitting qui hard cap)

Full Auto-train

40 PF
35 bow
35 Stealth
26 Pierce
35 CD

or:

Celt / Blades / 10 str/con/qui

Full Auto-train

40 PF
21 Bow
35 Stealth
34 Blades
39 CD

As a more melee orientated toon. And use exclusively CD styles. I appreciate that people say that assassin poison will hurt a blades user too much, but most of the people you will go up against stealth-wise will be either neutral or weak to slash?

Another question that sprang to mind, is it even possible to make a template with+11 to 4 skills and cap pretty much everything else? Or will it cost eleventy billion plat?

Whaddya all reckon?

Luri will be better imo, that's what ill roll. If you go celt you're going to need str/con pots for leveling.

You really have to have 50 weapon combined (37+13 at RR3) and from what I have followed bow wants to be 35 (27 min, 40 max)

My spec im favouring atm is, for RR3:

40pf
35bow
37stealth
37pierce
19cd

or

40pf
27bow
37stealth
39pierce
27cd

Problem with ranger is to have decent buffs you have to gimp something. usually CD. The only diff between 19 and 27 CD is 5.44% more chance to swing offhand. Obv you wouldnt be using CD styles though. Blades rangers dont usually use only CD styles, you go blades for the anytime chain that gives the attack speed debuff (Fire Blade>Spectrum Blade).

peter1986 wrote:

morry1000 wrote:Thanks for the info

Taking into consideration the entire thread I have the following:

Luri / Pierce / 10 str/con/dex (aug qui for dodger would mean pretty much hitting qui hard cap)

Full Auto-train

40 PF
35 bow
35 Stealth
26 Pierce
35 CD

or:

Celt / Blades / 10 str/con/qui

Full Auto-train

40 PF
21 Bow
35 Stealth
34 Blades
39 CD

As a more melee orientated toon. And use exclusively CD styles. I appreciate that people say that assassin poison will hurt a blades user too much, but most of the people you will go up against stealth-wise will be either neutral or weak to slash?

Another question that sprang to mind, is it even possible to make a template with+11 to 4 skills and cap pretty much everything else? Or will it cost eleventy billion plat?

Whaddya all reckon?

Luri will be better imo, that's what ill roll. If you go celt you're going to need str/con pots for leveling.

You really have to have 50 weapon combined (37+13 at RR3) and from what I have followed bow wants to be 35 (27 min, 40 max)

My spec im favouring atm is, for RR3:

40pf
35bow
37stealth
37pierce
19cd

or

40pf
27bow
37stealth
39pierce
27cd

Problem with ranger is to have decent buffs you have to gimp something. usually CD. The only diff between 19 and 27 CD is 5.44% more chance to swing offhand. Obv you wouldnt be using CD styles though. Blades rangers dont usually use only CD styles, you go blades for the anytime chain that gives the attack speed debuff (Fire Blade>Spectrum Blade).

I thought I read somewhere that better PF buffs gives you more damage than higher dmg spec (pierce or blades)?

I was thinking more the sniper scout with 35 in bow, higher in PF, and lower my pierce...Is that totally gimp in a world without buff bots? I would think that would make the PF buffs that much more valuable (I hate dealing with potions btw).

Also I notice I get seen quite easily in the BG with a stealth level of about 20...every class...all the time. I know that is low but I hope that mechanic isn't broken...not sure how to even test.

Steatlh-wise, and putting aside assassins for a moment, I seem to recall that you really needed composite to your lv stealth to hide from visis.

20 combined stealth, it is understandable that most can see you. I would think you would draw in at a decent distance.

Get someone to test it for you, just stealth and have them edge up towards you - and tell you as soon as they can see you - at least then you will have a good guide of range.

Assassins will see you regardless or should that be

Torgo wrote:

peter1986 wrote:

morry1000 wrote:Thanks for the info

Taking into consideration the entire thread I have the following:

Luri / Pierce / 10 str/con/dex (aug qui for dodger would mean pretty much hitting qui hard cap)

Full Auto-train

40 PF
35 bow
35 Stealth
26 Pierce
35 CD

or:

Celt / Blades / 10 str/con/qui

Full Auto-train

40 PF
21 Bow
35 Stealth
34 Blades
39 CD

As a more melee orientated toon. And use exclusively CD styles. I appreciate that people say that assassin poison will hurt a blades user too much, but most of the people you will go up against stealth-wise will be either neutral or weak to slash?

Another question that sprang to mind, is it even possible to make a template with+11 to 4 skills and cap pretty much everything else? Or will it cost eleventy billion plat?

Whaddya all reckon?

Luri will be better imo, that's what ill roll. If you go celt you're going to need str/con pots for leveling.

You really have to have 50 weapon combined (37+13 at RR3) and from what I have followed bow wants to be 35 (27 min, 40 max)

My spec im favouring atm is, for RR3:

40pf
35bow
37stealth
37pierce
19cd

or

40pf
27bow
37stealth
39pierce
27cd

Problem with ranger is to have decent buffs you have to gimp something. usually CD. The only diff between 19 and 27 CD is 5.44% more chance to swing offhand. Obv you wouldnt be using CD styles though. Blades rangers dont usually use only CD styles, you go blades for the anytime chain that gives the attack speed debuff (Fire Blade>Spectrum Blade).

I thought I read somewhere that better PF buffs gives you more damage than higher dmg spec (pierce or blades)?

I was thinking more the sniper scout with 35 in bow, higher in PF, and lower my pierce...Is that totally gimp in a world without buff bots? I would think that would make the PF buffs that much more valuable (I hate dealing with potions btw).

Also I notice I get seen quite easily in the BG with a stealth level of about 20...every class...all the time. I know that is low but I hope that mechanic isn't broken...not sure how to even test.

Yeah I reckon higher PF likely gives you more DPS than higher weapon but only to a point.

When comparing something that uses the same amount of spec points like 50pierce 21PF with something like 37pierce and 40PF the higher PF spec will no doubt do more DPS.

However if you wanted to lower weapon down to below 50 composite (37+13) then you start losing the floor damage from your weapon so you get a much wider range in damage, this is why a spec like 15pierce and 50PF isnt as good. You will also lose weaponskill making you much more likely to be evaded and your super dmg add isn't any good if you don't land a hit.

Your sniper spec with 35 bow wouldn't really be a real sniper spec, more hybrid, but i feel that is a good point for bow to stop. From the research I've done bow wants to be 27, 35 or 40. Just my opinion based on what I've read.

As for the BGs: respecs will not be readily available so going 19+5 stealth in the lvl19-24 BG will severely hinder your character not only in the BG but also for leveling after it. IMO and what I'll be doing is forgetting stealth and making my ranger more of a mini blademaster for the BG's and running in visable groups.