Genjiro wrote:If an stealth-opener like Perforate Artery should indeed bypass and destroy a casters bubble but it is not working like this on Uthgard please create a new issue with sufficient evidence.

i hope its like how you say

well according to that patch not PA should bypass BT not destroy it. Destroying the BT came much later.

Of course patch notes can be wrong... which opens up a whole new can 'o worms.

Just throwing it out there... but when I play on Nydia, I toss out free blade turns to my realm mates so that may be some of the issues with perf on other classes.

ALSO, I (me personally) have never once been perfed when I run my self targeted BT and my pulse. I am that theurg that runs around on no speed for the followup bt.

Just saying this may add to why some of you are failing vs some of you succeeding. Don't know if its useful information for you to have... as I don't really play stealthers, but I do laugh every time one tries to perf me.

I have been perfed / back stabbed when I run my speed (instead of pbt ) tho... so I don't know if that helps you determine whats happening on uth 2.0 as well

All the above is under the scenario of me soloing not grouped.
I run fortitude, dex, and might potions, dexquick charge af charge and piety charge as well.

You arent getting perfed because you're playing Alb. So few Sb's, Ns's out (if any). BT doesnt stop PA. According to the links given, the followup would hit the BT, not the PA (pa should bypass). I don't remember it like that from live, but hell, i can't remember a lot from 15 years ago.....

Sleepwell wrote:You arent getting perfed because you're playing Alb. So few Sb's, Ns's out (if any). BT doesnt stop PA. According to the links given, the followup would hit the BT, not the PA (pa should bypass). I don't remember it like that from live, but hell, i can't remember a lot from 15 years ago.....

Sleepwell: I definitely run into my fair share of SB's. I can tho, only recall 2-3 NS's out so you're right there. I'm not saying that BT stops the PA. I was however stating that I've yet to be perfed when both BT and PBT are up. Now whether that is coincidence yet or not has yet to be proven here. We know how it should act, just giving my evidence. Next time someone tries to perf me on Nydia I will try to remember to take a screenshot.

That being said, I am perfed all the time on Draak when just my solo BT is up =)

So maybe they have the code right for BT but not for PBT?

DraakOG wrote:

Sleepwell wrote:You arent getting perfed because you're playing Alb. So few Sb's, Ns's out (if any). BT doesnt stop PA. According to the links given, the followup would hit the BT, not the PA (pa should bypass). I don't remember it like that from live, but hell, i can't remember a lot from 15 years ago.....

Sleepwell: I definitely run into my fair share of SB's. I can tho, only recall 2-3 NS's out so you're right there. I'm not saying that BT stops the PA. I was however stating that I've yet to be perfed when both BT and PBT are up. Now whether that is coincidence yet or not has yet to be proven here. We know how it should act, just giving my evidence. Next time someone tries to perf me on Nydia I will try to remember to take a screenshot.

That being said, I am perfed all the time on Draak when just my solo BT is up =)

So maybe they have the code right for BT but not for PBT?

You won't ever have multiple BT buffs up simutaneously, but with timing you can be PA'd [where OH swing eats bubble] and then a PBT ticks and you now have that bubble ready to eat CD

On that point, multiple PBT's also "stack" in that you can double the refresh rate by having multiple instances going in a group


As far as I can remember, I've never, ever, on any occasion, seen a stealth opener parried/blocked/evaded where it was not obvious that the style failed or server didn't recognize that I had already turned to face the target <lag>,
and that patch note on mobs is specifically addressing PVE miss rate (hence the style boasts a 'very high' to hit bonus)



In response to the earlier posts, offhand swing on PA will allow you to land CD against BT, but Twohand/staff users are ****** ;_;

digging up this post because it seems I just had a PA absorbed by a bladeturn.

Versus a mentalist twho was standing still. No positional issues, I was just in front of him and approached slowly, wielding a 2H



From my understanding, Perforate Artery is not supposed to be evaded, blocked, parried or absorbed by a BT.

Should I blame packet losses before creating a new issue in the tracker?

i guarantee you were out of range of the attack. as soon as you pushed your PA, you were out of range, you unstealthed yourself because you went into attack mode out of range, and then you performed an unstyled attack, and of course you hit BT. it has happened to me many times. do some testing and you will see exactly what i mean.

YOLKD wrote:i guarantee you were out of range of the attack. as soon as you pushed your PA, you were out of range, you unstealthed yourself because you went into attack mode out of range, and then you performed an unstyled attack, and of course you hit BT. it has happened to me many times. do some testing and you will see exactly what i mean.

not sure if the message 'You prepare to perform a Perforate Artery!' will show if you didn't acomplish all the requeriments before

From the experiments I did during Beta I would rather say that you were not standing too far away but too close to the enemy, i.e. you hit the rear target zone.

Thus you actually prepared the PA as stated in your screenshot but because you we standing in the rear target zone the PA did not work. So a normal attack was made that of course was absorbed by the bubble.

The games been out for 16 years and Uthgard has been live for 6 months...
AND YET people still don't know how to play their class?

Who are you trolling Gil.

I was definitely facing the guy who was standing still and hit PA when my character stopped walking, with a little delay to account for latency. I wish I had a video capture to show that to you all.

Perhaps something to take into consideration is that sometimes, when I stop walking and want to sit, I need to wait for 4 or 5 seconds for being able to (says my characters needs to stand still for being able to sit/craft etc...)
Investigating the issue, I noticed packet losses on a host between my ISP and Level3 on the route to server.uthgard.net
WinMTR test there

So two things: either my PA was okay and landed in the bt, which is not supposed to happen, or my packet losses were so bad that my character server-side was totally out of place. But in that case, why no message about "you failed to perform" because I was in the wrong position or "your target is not in view"?
Just an absorb message and a "you miss"

patouch wrote:Who are you trolling Gil.

I was definitely facing the guy who was standing still and hit PA when my character stopped walking, with a little delay to account for latency. I wish I had a video capture to show that to you all.

Perhaps something to take into consideration is that sometimes, when I stop walking and want to sit, I need to wait for 4 or 5 seconds for being able to (says my characters needs to stand still for being able to sit/craft etc...)
Investigating the issue, I noticed packet losses on a host between my ISP and Level3 on the route to server.uthgard.net
WinMTR test there

So two things: either my PA was okay and landed in the bt, which is not supposed to happen, or my packet losses were so bad that my character server-side was totally out of place. But in that case, why no message about "you failed to perform" because I was in the wrong position or "your target is not in view"?
Just an absorb message and a "you miss"

Sounds like classic client / server desynch. You THOUGHT you had stopped moving when you hit your PA but the server saw you as still moving. By the time the server accepted you had stopped you weren't in position to land the PA.

Packet loss IS a problem, but packet jitter is even worse. Have you tried using a VPN to cut down on the packet loss and jitter?

Yeah I tried Windscribe from a couple different locations but it's even worse. Got to find a better service. I'm not even that far from the server! Just that peering host that returns 100% packet loss

IIRC this happens because of missing the positional. IIRC it does show on the combat window as a simple miss (due to miss hit, bubble absorb, parry or evade) but that means you just missed an unstyled swing because you didn't perform your PA correctly.

It's possible that you are facing your targed but not really because of latency and whatnot. I remember PA working well in my last time playing, i doubt it has changed.

And sorry i don't give PA lessons since my time as a SB are long gone (along with my chars).