QeoSereai wrote:So its 3 healers over damage output? I mean a strong assisttrain in :

Pach
Augh
Sham
Skald
RM (47 Dark/26 Sup , 9dps damageadd, blue ns, high damage output)
Zerk
Zerk
Sav

would make every castgroup dropping fast. And for hybrid/melee it would be easy to kick their supports butt. Sure, more work for both healers to keep everything up (cele heal and cc) but wouldn´t make it sense? Or would it be a problem to stand the damage output of the enemy this way?

Supp RM pbt / Speed for healers in backline and red nearsight. gg wp

youre acting as if the rm HAS to be supp spec lmao. a dark rm works just as good, sure you drop red ns/pbt for blue but you can apply way more pressure than with a supp rm. both specs work just fine for a solo rm in a 8man, its personal/your groups preference

dark rm needs an higher rr though but when he can afford the necessary ra's it would say its way better as the sup spec., blue ns isn't that big deal compared to that insane damage.

Loriot wrote:dark rm needs an higher rr though but when he can afford the necessary ra's it would say its way better as the sup spec., blue ns isn't that big deal compared to that insane damage.

how does the spec determine what RAs a rm should get?

its lw/tireless (whatever is needed on uth), aug acu, aug dex, mota, purge, mcl, damage RAs, moc, defensive passives no matter what spec you going

falscheneun wrote:youre acting as if the rm HAS to be supp spec lmao. a dark rm works just as good, sure you drop red ns/pbt for blue but you can apply way more pressure than with a supp rm. both specs work just fine for a solo rm in a 8man, its personal/your groups preference

you just sound bad and extremely un-experienced in real 8v8

Dragonmare wrote:

falscheneun wrote:youre acting as if the rm HAS to be supp spec lmao. a dark rm works just as good, sure you drop red ns/pbt for blue but you can apply way more pressure than with a supp rm. both specs work just fine for a solo rm in a 8man, its personal/your groups preference

you just sound bad and extremely un-experienced in real 8v8

nice arguments

falscheneun wrote:

Dragonmare wrote:

falscheneun wrote:youre acting as if the rm HAS to be supp spec lmao. a dark rm works just as good, sure you drop red ns/pbt for blue but you can apply way more pressure than with a supp rm. both specs work just fine for a solo rm in a 8man, its personal/your groups preference

you just sound bad and extremely un-experienced in real 8v8

nice arguments

i don't need to argue with you
what you've written is proof enough.

lmao

falscheneun wrote:

Loriot wrote:dark rm needs an higher rr though but when he can afford the necessary ra's it would say its way better as the sup spec., blue ns isn't that big deal compared to that insane damage.

how does the spec determine what RAs a rm should get?

its lw/tireless (whatever is needed on uth), aug acu, aug dex, mota, purge, mcl, damage RAs, moc, defensive passives no matter what spec you going

dark specc scale and rely on the damage ra's way more. you don't necessarily need high wp and mom as sup rm next to all the other stuff. i honestly wouldn't even think about dark specc before hitting rr6 as absolute minimum.

47 dark 26 supp all the way to the bank and back again.

Loriot wrote:dark specc scale and rely on the damage ra's way more. you don't necessarily need high wp and mom as sup rm next to all the other stuff. i honestly wouldn't even think about dark specc before hitting rr6 as absolute minimum.

in all seriousness, what are you talking about?! I'd like to see that table...

falscheneun wrote:

Loriot wrote:dark specc scale and rely on the damage ra's way more. you don't necessarily need high wp and mom as sup rm next to all the other stuff. i honestly wouldn't even think about dark specc before hitting rr6 as absolute minimum.

in all seriousness, what are you talking about?! I'd like to see that table...

the whole point of the dark specc is to have this 'unhealable' burst damage with the highest specc dd ingame (only fire wizz have that as well) rather than pushing your dps and as sup rm wp/mom will just push your dps since you need way more nukes while your mana resources are very limited too. so by all seriousness we comparing a 3s 179delve with an 2,8s 219delve nuke here.

that's my point. if anything then the supp spec rm benefits more from damage ra's since he will already deal less damage than a dark rm...

falscheneun wrote:that's my point. if anything then the supp spec rm benefits more from damage ra's since he will already deal less damage than a dark rm...

even with mom5 and wp5 the sup rm dmg will be laughable compared to dark specc and won't have the purpose of this quick unhealable burst explosion , you still need way more casts.

to give an extreme example: It's like pushing mopain on a warden, will he profit 'more' from it as a bm? no, he maybe will increase his dps more as an blademaster but he still won't be able to deal that 'unhealable' burst damage which is the main purpose of these ra's.

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