With Red Endo buff from Shaman, will everyone still need to run LW1 as well?

As a tank sprinting in combat, will LW1 + Red Endo be enough? Or will people be running Tireless as well?

Follow up question if I can pseudo hijack this.

Do people need Tireless AND LW? Or what's the dealio

To my knowledge, the reason for lw1 is so that sham can use yellow endu for you to permasprint. This is coming from a spotty memory and mostly live server play, so I could be wrong (don't tell my wife I said that). LW1 and Tireless both give 1 tic of endu iirc, so in theory only lw1 is needed for all non-tireless classes.

Someone with Uthgard knowledge chime in and shred my theory if I'm wrong.

10d6 wrote:To my knowledge, the reason for lw1 is so that sham can use yellow endu for you to permasprint. This is coming from a spotty memory and mostly live server play, so I could be wrong (don't tell my wife I said that). LW1 and Tireless both give 1 tic of endu iirc, so in theory only lw1 is needed for all non-tireless classes.

Someone with Uthgard knowledge chime in and shred my theory if I'm wrong.

95% sure this man is correct, in stating that LW1 is for yellow endu and assumed buffbots, whereas most Shamans will likely go red endu on this server, so LW shouldn't be required at all.

Yellow end + lw 1 = perma sprint
LW 1 was mainly taken back in the day because some popular shaman specs never got red end, and with good reason.

These days everyone should get lw 1 regardless, some tanks even get lw 2.
Even if you have red end, with lw you will regain end while sprinting, and for rvr that means you don't have to use that many endurance potions.

So as a skald is LW1 + Tireless1 worth the 2 points if the shaman is running red endo?

tireless useless and i think bugged on uth
red end mean u can perma sprint without losing any end

lw1 is usefull for melee even with red end to regen while sprinting

Dare I ask if a RA is useless such as Tireless is it not within the realm of possibility that the Devs can fix or adjust it to be working in some way? Or are they okay with broken RAs that were a part of 1.65?

BumblesZERG wrote:Dare I ask if a RA is useless such as Tireless is it not within the realm of possibility that the Devs can fix or adjust it to be working in some way? Or are they okay with broken RAs that were a part of 1.65?

imho touching RAs will lead us to a TOTALLY CUSTOM environment

Liss wrote:Yellow end + lw 1 = perma sprint
LW 1 was mainly taken back in the day because some popular shaman specs never got red end, and with good reason.

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Is that good reason that your tanks will run out of endurance with celerity?

Ilerget wrote:

BumblesZERG wrote:Dare I ask if a RA is useless such as Tireless is it not within the realm of possibility that the Devs can fix or adjust it to be working in some way? Or are they okay with broken RAs that were a part of 1.65?

imho touching RAs will lead us to a TOTALLY CUSTOM environment

But if it worked in 1.65 live, which it did and it doesn't work here aren't we already in a custom environment?

Ehres wrote:With Red Endo buff from Shaman, will everyone still need to run LW1 as well?

As a tank sprinting in combat, will LW1 + Red Endo be enough? Or will people be running Tireless as well?

the reason most groups with red endo also want lw1 is so you can sprint and continue to use combat styles. With base haste and celerity, lw1 and yellow endu just dont cut it. You need red endu and lw1 for any viable tank group, at least that has an Aug healer.