i know some guids from the guild "Blutrausch" on there page but its down now.

Anyone has good links or pdfs? :p

would be nice

This guide was made by a Hibernian guild, but it contains good information for all realms. I believe it is mostly accurate

http://www.guardiansofvalor.com/Strateg ... gGuide.asp

Is this guide right about the double-stitched cloth path?

http://motogs.redemptionofdivineharmony ... gguide.php

CowwoC wrote:Is this guide right about the double-stitched cloth path?

http://motogs.redemptionofdivineharmony ... gguide.php

It's legitimate, but if you look at the sell-back loss for Roman compared to DS Seamist, and then take into consideration that most of us are poor and crafting / salvaging as we level, the sell-back loss winds up being a whole Hell of a lot. Leveling on Roman gloves & boots is still cheaper in the long run. But, if you can afford it, he's right, double-stitched will level you faster, that's a fact.

I simply can't afford to level off of double-stitched, no matter how much more efficient it can be. It's too expensive. I did Roman all the way up to 800 since relaunch, and my wallet thanked me for it. If I had a couple of Plat in the bank to spare I'd burn through double-stitched and not think twice.

If you're trying to level on Cymric or Siluric, you're smoking crack anyway. You can easily fill x80 - x00 with Roman sleeves.

Zaltor_Kabalen wrote:

CowwoC wrote:Is this guide right about the double-stitched cloth path?

http://motogs.redemptionofdivineharmony ... gguide.php

It's legitimate, but if you look at the sell-back loss for Roman compared to DS Seamist, and then take into consideration that most of us are poor and crafting / salvaging as we level, the sell-back loss winds up being a whole Hell of a lot. Leveling on Roman gloves & boots is still cheaper in the long run. But, if you can afford it, he's right, double-stitched will level you faster, that's a fact.

I simply can't afford to level off of double-stitched, no matter how much more efficient it can be. It's too expensive. I did Roman all the way up to 800 since relaunch, and my wallet thanked me for it. If I had a couple of Plat in the bank to spare I'd burn through double-stitched and not think twice.

If you're trying to level on Cymric or Siluric, you're smoking crack anyway. You can easily fill x80 - x00 with Roman sleeves.

Uhm he said in this guide:

What about cost?

Double-stitched is a lot more expensive than leather, right? I mean, this method is going to cost me a lot more, right? WRONG AGAIN!

Because you are working with the material tier below your current level, the cost is very comparable.

Not only are the sellback losses comparable, about half the time you actually save money working double-stitched. Now factor in the more frequent skill-ups. Let's be conservative and give it a number-- let's say 20% more skill ups on double-stitched. No contest-- Double-stitched wins- in fact it's a TKO!

And the chart is showing this, at least in my understanding.

71 Silver MORE loss for DS gloves than Roman gloves, and 36 Silver More loss for DS boots than Roman boots.

That's a lot of money for me.

Double-stitched is MORE expensive. When you're working with a wallet of a few hundred gold, that adds up extremely fast. I typically start a crafting session with 300-500 gold in my wallet. That vanishes really fast if you're crafting DS.

Zaltor_Kabalen wrote:71 Silver MORE loss for DS gloves than Roman gloves, and 36 Silver More loss for DS boots than Roman boots.

That's a lot of money for me.

Double-stitched is MORE expensive. When you're working with a wallet of a few hundred gold, that adds up extremely fast.

Uhm did you consider that you also save money? Look at the whole chart not just there where your loss is higher.
Why is it bad to level with Cymric or Siluric?

CowwoC wrote:

Zaltor_Kabalen wrote:71 Silver MORE loss for DS gloves than Roman gloves, and 36 Silver More loss for DS boots than Roman boots.

That's a lot of money for me.

Double-stitched is MORE expensive. When you're working with a wallet of a few hundred gold, that adds up extremely fast.

Uhm did you consider that you also save money? Look at the whole chart not just there where your loss is higher.
Why is it bad to level with Cymric or Siluric?

I'll try it out when I get in-game and make a comparison. I'm going for 1000 tailoring today (if I can ever log in.)

Cymric and Siluric material costs are way too high compared to Roman, so it takes a larger initial investment to be able to streamline the crafting process since you'll need more materials. You'll also spend more time buying crafting materials, and you'll find yourself encumbered all of the damn time if you're crafting with a caster. The time that it wastes can be negligible, but if you're crafting over a few hours, seconds add up to minutes pretty fast. You'll find yourself having to make extra clicks to buy materials every 20 seconds (that's an exaggeration, lol) with the Cymric and Suluric. It gets obnoxious after awhile. It's almost a 3x1 ratio for Roman to Siluric, so for every 3 Roman pieces you can craft you can make 1 Siluric as far as material investment. *Click, click, click... click-click-click.... CLICK!!!*

Roman is more time-efficient in the long run. Bottom line.

I'm pretty sure you already know the command /mbuy , don't you?
Whenever i craft, i always use the /mbuy the first time. By the second batch it's just using the SHIFT+UP ARROW. I usually click only three times per batch total, only to select the ware i want to mbuy.
Alas, new generations like the lightminded easier things, like clicking or fingerstrafing the touchscreen, and the texting shortcuts, keeping one hand free.

Ah, the glorious old times of ctrl+c ctrl+v and the squeezing of extra ram in the config.sys...

Zaltor_Kabalen wrote:

CowwoC wrote:

Zaltor_Kabalen wrote:71 Silver MORE loss for DS gloves than Roman gloves, and 36 Silver More loss for DS boots than Roman boots.

That's a lot of money for me.

Double-stitched is MORE expensive. When you're working with a wallet of a few hundred gold, that adds up extremely fast.

Uhm did you consider that you also save money? Look at the whole chart not just there where your loss is higher.
Why is it bad to level with Cymric or Siluric?

I'll try it out when I get in-game and make a comparison. I'm going for 1000 tailoring today (if I can ever log in.)

Cymric and Siluric material costs are way too high compared to Roman, so it takes a larger initial investment to be able to streamline the crafting process since you'll need more materials. You'll also spend more time buying crafting materials, and you'll find yourself encumbered all of the damn time if you're crafting with a caster. The time that it wastes can be negligible, but if you're crafting over a few hours, seconds add up to minutes pretty fast. You'll find yourself having to make extra clicks to buy materials every 20 seconds (that's an exaggeration, lol) with the Cymric and Suluric. It gets obnoxious after awhile. It's almost a 3x1 ratio for Roman to Siluric, so for every 3 Roman pieces you can craft you can make 1 Siluric as far as material investment. *Click, click, click... click-click-click.... CLICK!!!*

Roman is more time-efficient in the long run. Bottom line.

So did you do a comparison?

Fiordiluna wrote:I'm pretty sure you already know the command /mbuy , don't you?
Whenever i craft, i always use the /mbuy the first time. By the second batch it's just using the SHIFT+UP ARROW. I usually click only three times per batch total, only to select the ware i want to mbuy.
Alas, new generations like the lightminded easier things, like clicking or fingerstrafing the touchscreen, and the texting shortcuts, keeping one hand free.

Ah, the glorious old times of ctrl+c ctrl+v and the squeezing of extra ram in the config.sys...

/mbuy? never heard of it.

Maybe someone else can give some insight about the double stiched thing?