Of course play whatever is most fun to you, but to new players joining and people looking to switch realms to Albion here's a rough breakdown if what is in need. Loosely ranked from what we need the most to what we need the least. Here's my take on the classes, trying to take into account both RvR, PvE, and how much of the class we have now.

Arms/Merc - When it comes to RvR arms/merc will be backbone of our meele line. Definitely will need lots more arms and merc. Meele dps is also frequently wanted for leveling groups.

Paladins - There's a huge need for paladins for leveling groups. People were begging for 25+ paladins for lvl ~35-40 groups last night. If anyone is wondering what to roll to be wanted in PvE groups, go paladin. People will literally beg you to join and will basically PL you for end buff. Only problem is at level 50 once we are all high rank paladins will unfortunately be shunned for the leet 8v8 groups (they lack det). Still a great char for many other aspects of the game.

Clerics - Good amount of them out there for leveling right now but once we start doing RvR every group will need 2 clerics.

Theurg - For RvR Albion groups will need theurgs to counter the meele trains. Pet spam is deadly and pbt is amazing utility. Every group wants at least 1 theurg for dmg add, haste, and pbt.

Sorcs - Good amount of them out there but 1 sorc is always needed per group making them highly desirable. Good sorcs will be extremely needed for RvR.

Minst - Will be highly needed RvR but for leveling there's no real desire for them, most are AT and are being PL'd or are leeching. They own in RvR, wanted for 8v8.

Wizards - While not great for 8v8 they will be awesome to have for relic/keep raid defense and offense. Shares the same problem as Paladins however once we're all level 50 sadly they will be shunned for 8v8 groups, still great for relics, keeps and zerg pvp. Go Ice for easy pbaoe leveling.

Cabalist - Lots of cabalists running around, They are great for many RvR setups.

Reaver - Runs into the same problems paladins will have at endgame, no det means they can be CC'd easily. No end regen means they aren't as wanted for PvE. No real place in 8v8 but can potentially dish out a ton of dmg and be good for small man groups.

Infil - Solid meele dps which is welcomed as mdps for leveling groups. Won't really have a place in competitive 8v8, need some for scouting and harassing in large scale RvR but the realm doesn't need a ton of Inf and we already have a good amount.

Friar - Is often grouped as a meele dps slot, friars have decent buffs, ok healing, and ok staff dmg. Not that good for RvR, low need for friars on albion. Solid PvE class.

Necro - We need less necromancers on the server. They are mostly anti-social players who don't group, don't respect spawns or camps, and are gimpy in RvR.

Scouts - Quite possibly the worst class Albion has to offer. Do not roll if you value your sanity.

Just because paladin is a current wanted character doesnt mean you will get in that RVR fight a lot of people are getting paladins to 50 only to find noone will group with them in rvr because quote "paladins dont have det".

So yeah paladins are currently wanted but its not fair to players to roll a paladin for the benefit of everyone else to then find themselves solo at 50 in rvr.

Yep good point thanks, I made a note of it.

Wizards are more needed than Theurgs?

Keep in mind once you hit 50 you arent going to enjoy a character that was awesome at PVE but is now sitting unwanted out of groups in RVR.

Paladins are fine, but every group needs ONE paladin, and everyone's rolling one.
Two paladins are redundant.
Two armsmen or mercenaries are NOT redundant.

Same goes for sorcerers.
Albion needs mercs and armsmen above any other class right now. And clerics, of course.

Smilo wrote:Wizards are more needed than Theurgs?

Keep in mind once you hit 50 you arent going to enjoy a character that was awesome at PVE but is now sitting unwanted out of groups in RVR.

Paladins are fine, but every group needs ONE paladin, and everyone's rolling one.
Two paladins are redundant.
Two armsmen or mercenaries are NOT redundant.

Same goes for sorcerers.
Albion needs mercs and armsmen above any other class right now. And clerics, of course.

I'm trying to take into account a bit of everything. Large scale RvR, PvE, 8v8, as well as taking into account how many of the class Albion currently has. Appreciate the feedback and I'm open to editing the list as needed.

If the population stays high and theres enough zerging wizards will find their place, but theurg is the melee friendly mage, and 1.65 is the melee friendly patch, thats why i think it should be in the "green section".

Scouts - Quite possibly the worst class Albion has to offer. No need for PvE or RvR, do not roll if you value your sanity.

go back to live server and play with your buffbot. stupid poteto.

Smilo wrote:If the population stays high and theres enough zerging wizards will find their place, but theurg is the melee friendly mage, and 1.65 is the melee friendly patch, thats why i think it should be in the "green section".

You're right, edited the list and added scout/reaver which I forgot

All these "What we need" threads is jack ******.
You people just express what YOU want to see out there and help YOU out.
What these threads have actually created is a trend of copy - paste groups that are just image of one another.

We'll end up seeing 50 groups out there running the EXACT same setup.
YAY for all the fun we'll have..NOT!

People that are familiar with the game will play w/e they want and WILL make it work, simply because they know almost everything about X class Pro and Cons and how to work around them.

But for new / casual players, what these threads do, is to just scare them off and create just another toon that is acceptable to what OTHERS want to.

All classes are welcome in RvR and PvE.
All classes have their best and worst.
All classes can be rewarding with moments of fun.
All classes can work in groups that are designed to work with them.

Are all the classes equal? Of course not, but that's what we love about in this game.
And for the love of god, STOP HAVING DET AS THE HOLY GRAIL.
Det doesn't win single handedly RvR fights.
Cooperation, proper demezzers, proper inc Split and good knowledge of what to do, when and how to counter things win fights.

Stop ditching / disregarding classes and creating "What we need" threads.
We need ALL classes and we need people to actually have fun...

Playing a mins I am having hard times getting PvE groups.

People refuse to group mins and sorc in same grp and they often prefere sorcs, which means mins are left to themselves.

onizukasensei wrote:All these "What we need" threads is jack ******.
You people just express what YOU want to see out there and help YOU out.
What these threads have actually created is a trend of copy - paste groups that are just image of one another.

We'll end up seeing 50 groups out there running the EXACT same setup.
YAY for all the fun we'll have..NOT!

People that are familiar with the game will play w/e they want and WILL make it work, simply because they know almost everything about X class Pro and Cons and how to work around them.

But for new / casual players, what these threads do, is to just scare them off and create just another toon that is acceptable to what OTHERS want to.

All classes are welcome in RvR and PvE.
All classes have their best and worst.
All classes can be rewarding with moments of fun.
All classes can work in groups that are designed to work with them.

Are all the classes equal? Of course not, but that's what we love about in this game.
And for the love of god, STOP HAVING DET AS THE HOLY GRAIL.
Det doesn't win single handedly RvR fights.
Cooperation, proper demezzers, proper inc Split and good knowledge of what to do, when and how to counter things win fights.

Stop ditching / disregarding classes and creating "What we need" threads.
We need ALL classes and we need people to actually have fun...

So with that all said, we could use more clerics. Esp one to group with my cabalist and we can duo

onizukasensei wrote:All classes are welcome in RvR and PvE.

No they arent, and repeating the same thing over and over wont make it true.
And yes having enough high determination tanks does make you win incs, i love how you mention "good demezzers" as a counter to CC, like if root didnt exist.

Anyone who played enough RVR knows how 1.65 works, we're just trying to explain this to new players, theres nothing to be angry about.

Play what you want? Of course! Nobody can force you to not play what you want.
But its important to be aware that not every class is as welcome/usefull.
Its 1.65, baby.

There's a lot of elitism (its a MMO!!!) but do not mistake the desire for a strong, balanced realm, with elitism.
Albion is somewhat a noob faction, we do attract a lot of new players, and its crucial for a new player to play a simple, effective, usefull class, because once they hit 50 they wont like to be a 2handed paladin anymore, even if they adored it during the XP phase.

Oh btw Cabalist should be in the "green list" because AOE disease and nearsight are extremely usefull tools, inc winners in the right hands, the body debuff doesnt hurt either.

Smilo wrote:

onizukasensei wrote:All classes are welcome in RvR and PvE.

No they arent, and repeating the same thing over and over wont make it true.
And yes having enough high determination tanks does make you win incs, i love how you mention "good demezzers" as a counter to CC, like if root didnt exist.

Anyone who played enough RVR knows how 1.65 works, we're just trying to explain this to new players, theres nothing to be angry about.

Play what you want? Of course! Nobody can force you to not play what you want.
But its important to be aware that not every class is as welcome/usefull.
Its 1.65, baby.

There's a lot of elitism (its a MMO!!!) but do not mistake the desire for a strong, balanced realm, with elitism.
Albion is somewhat a noob faction, we do attract a lot of new players, and its crucial for a new player to play a simple, effective, usefull class, because once they hit 50 they wont like to be a 2handed paladin anymore, even if they adored it during the XP phase.

I cry when I see arguments such as "high determination tanks does make you win incs".
People that over extend and die over hills or under bridges tend to say them.
Root has ways to overcome it, hello intercept. But for every argument, there's a counter argument, just keep that in mind.
And since obviously you have set your mind already and you know everything about how to faceroll the enemy realms, I give you my condolences, because you will face mud at least half the times, if not more when you'll face your counter group.

Just don't poison the forums, because there's already too much salt from "L337" warriors who know everything and how everyone else doesn't know ******.

Let the people play what ever they want!

Cry as you like but having your tanks almost immune to CCs does indeed make you win incs. 75% cc reduction isnt something you can achieve through skill, unfortunately. No matter how well they position themselves (how well can you position yourself as a tank, btw?), paladins and reavers are going to spend a lot of time rooted. /shrug

onizukasensei wrote:Root has ways to overcome it, hello intercept.

I didnt quite understand this, can you elaborate?

You sure i'm the one poisoning the forums?