Paladins can't deal damage , BUT your chants makes you really hard to kill. Solo exping sux no matter the class

I don't even know what is true anymore.

Keep seeing so many people ask about AT and getting it wrong, or people answering wrong lol. Sticky this thread somewhere or create a bot that answered queries in IRC with links to it.

Scenario 1:
Paladin AT Chants and Slash to level 48 by speccing in Shield and Crush.
Uses a full respec at level 50
Gets full points back +77x2 EXTRA POINTS already put in chants and slash, giving him 154 extra points to spend, if he goes slash. or wasting 77 extra points in slash if he wants to be crush.
Scenario 2:
Paladin AT Slash to level 48 by speccing Shield, Crush, Chants.
Uses a full respec at level 50
Gets full points back +77 already put in chants and +77EXTRA points already put in slash, giving him 154 extra points to spend, if he goes slash. or WASTING 77 extra points in slash if he wants to be crush or thrust.
Scenario 3:
Paladin does not Autotrain but uses a full respec at level 47 and gets to level 48.
65x2 points will be used automatically on chants and slash. He will get +12 EXTRA points in slash and +12 extra points in chants, then he can spend is points. If he decides to go thrust or crush he will lose 65 points of his base points pool, and 12 autotrain slash extra points, which will be offset by a gain of 12 points in chants; if he wants to stay slash he will gain 24 extra points already spent on chants and slash.
Scenario 4:
Paladin does not Autotrain but uses a full respec at level 50
Loses 77 points of base point pool if he decides to go thrust or crush.

In other words, if you want to have a crush or thrust paladin, you have to take this decision very early on and stick with it for the longest time, or you will lose some of your base pool of points.
Autotrain chant only if you final template really requires it.

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OK, so I either misunderstand that issue (very likely) or something is buggy with AT. Bare with me:

Level 8 Minstrel no training in Instruments.

At Level 8 I should have 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8=36 Points without AT.

38 points with AT.

See screen capture:

Having only specced in thrust up to 6 I have used 21 points.

So since I AT I should have 27 Points left, but as you can see in the screen capture I have only 25.

Any insight?

wintermute wrote:OK, so I either misunderstand that issue (very likely) or something is buggy with AT. Bare with me:

Level 8 Minstrel no training in Instruments.

At Level 8 I should have 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8=36 Points without AT.

38 points with AT.

See screen capture:

Having only specced in thrust up to 6 I have used 21 points.

So since I AT I should have 27 Points left, but as you can see in the screen capture I have only 25.

Any insight?

You get the skills at AT levels for free. So if you skill Instruments to level 2, you have still 25 points to spend. If you already skilled instruments to level 2 before you hit level 8 you will get back that 2 points at the moment you hit level 8. If you would just get 27 points you could spend it for other skill lines.

Romu wrote:

wintermute wrote:OK, so I either misunderstand that issue (very likely) or something is buggy with AT. Bare with me:

Level 8 Minstrel no training in Instruments.

At Level 8 I should have 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8=36 Points without AT.

38 points with AT.

See screen capture:

Having only specced in thrust up to 6 I have used 21 points.

So since I AT I should have 27 Points left, but as you can see in the screen capture I have only 25.

Any insight?

You get the skills at AT levels for free. So if you skill Instruments to level 2, you have still 25 points to spend. If you already skilled instruments to level 2 before you hit level 8 you will get back that 2 points at the moment you hit level 8. If you would just get 27 points you could spend it for other skill lines.

Right, in particular the last sentence makes a lot of sense .

Can I see somewhere the impact of AT (since it is apparently not in the number of spec points)?

Initially I noob thought that at level 8 I would have AT Instruments at 2, with "Discordant Note", without putting points in it.

wintermute wrote:

Romu wrote:

wintermute wrote:OK, so I either misunderstand that issue (very likely) or something is buggy with AT. Bare with me:

Level 8 Minstrel no training in Instruments.

At Level 8 I should have 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8=36 Points without AT.

38 points with AT.

See screen capture:

Having only specced in thrust up to 6 I have used 21 points.

So since I AT I should have 27 Points left, but as you can see in the screen capture I have only 25.

Any insight?

You get the skills at AT levels for free. So if you skill Instruments to level 2, you have still 25 points to spend. If you already skilled instruments to level 2 before you hit level 8 you will get back that 2 points at the moment you hit level 8. If you would just get 27 points you could spend it for other skill lines.

Right, in particular the last sentence makes a lot of sense .

Can I see somewhere the impact of AT (since it is apparently not in the number of spec points)?

Initially I noob thought that at level 8 I would have AT Instruments at 2, with "Discordant Note", without putting points in it.

It doent add the points automatically, you have to go to the trainer and raise the AT skill