Moabi wrote:@ Tree,

You can also have fun levelling up with people from everywhere, take your time and all.
Obviously people see DAoC's RVR as the aim of the game, and yet, levelling takes time. Why not try to use this time to actually have fun and not see it as a burden ?

I'm levelling a valewalker atm and even if it's not the strongest, I manage to take some levels each day. I do so by forming group with each people who's willing to, no matter the class and with a wide range of levels.

Hopefully, all players aren't like "quickquickquick, RVR, template, RPs RPs RPs".

Paying for power level seems lonely to me.

There are people willing to take the time

There are people willing to rush RvR, a lot of them

There are people who don't have a lot of time

Now what do you think is going to be more efficient : enticing people to fill their group through party bonus or telling people to "take the time to enjoy PvE" ?

These players aren't harming the community, they are the community.

I can understand both oppinions. Bit, effective time using is not harmfull.

@ Bcopeland
sorry if you feel offended, I didn't intend do. I can totally understand the will to play on your own schedule and totally agree with the liberties which come with the stealth life.
On the other hand, and seeing the zones where you can find PL spots as overcrowded, I believe your case isn't that common, but still, it's my opinion and was just sharing this. No hard feelings.

Have fun !

edit : @ Kaozium
I'm not asking people to rally to my opinion, i'm just sharing it because this forum can be used that way. It's not about harming the community, more about trying to change the ways to keep what we currently have, a very nice community (with its exceptions, ofc, there are always some). But it's all about choices, I'm not forcing anyone, and i'm maybe only a dreamer ^^

Dingiva wrote:

Komaf wrote:Grouping in an RPG where half the classes aren't considering viable in an 8 man, means half the server is solo.

This part of your post gets even funnier if you read carefully. About 80-90% of the people asking for PL are infiltrators/mincers/scouts.

Which are SOLO classes.

Inf is a solo class? It *CAN* solo, but god it's painful.

Komaf wrote: many of us who can't relive our daoc glory days are going to find something else.

No truer words spoken

pweet wrote:On genesis there was a big xp bonus for each member in grp, so it was always better to xp in fg than pushing/small men/solo.
Was a genious system, so there XP grps were always crowded and ppl didnt care much whom to invite.

Genesis's mentality on why grouping was so important is one of the really good things that server had going for it (along with a common sense LFG channel).

Shamefully, with titles like this and old school visions, etc., is in the end, it's the vision of a group of people and doesn't often equate to logic and reason in regards to why awarding for full groups, for example, is so important for the longevity of a community. Sitting in the woods as a 20 enchanter near Innis Carthaig, LFG up for hours....a lot of folks on and yet, just due to a simple mechanic like no general LFG channel (like Genesis had), means that I'm going to be invisible unless I /whisper dozens of people (which I did as a test, btw).

Folks here are human - some like a few above posters love the idea of being able to out race out run out level everyone who has a full time job, for example. Others like the sense of isolation but somehow feel the need to play an mmo - for whatever reason.

Others, I feel, like myself, love the old game and appreciate what the developers here have done, and yet, know that a few group based tweaks (nothing game changing otherwise), would have made up for the lack of common sense that guys like Mark Jacobs still seems to have (when I ponder Camelot Unchained, for example).

Perhaps there's another reason why devs here don't want common sense social aspects in place. If you started rewarding players for grouping any level and anyone for the benefit of a full 8 - man group (not to mention, rogues and hybrids that don't give 110% otherwise due to some perceived lack of whatever), then you'll start seeing community swelling. We might have a lot more players....more rvr more...and here's the issue, things for the devs to deal with.

So, don't announce the game is only for those who mostly don't have a 40 hour work week and a family, or that the devs have lives and can't keep up the pace of so many folks...instead, make the game cold and isolating. Allow it to inspire as small a group as possible for that perfect leveling model and worry not when people log and quit forever in the hopes of finding a real sense of community somewhere else.

I wish this wasn't the case - but it's their game and their vision and apparently, that just doesn't account for folks such as myself, or that solo nightshade who can't get a group to save his life when a 4-man pve group literally grinds mobs right in front of him.

/peace out.

One of the problems of finding groups can arise from the possibility of PL and the strength of some solo classes like Necros in Albion. Not be forced to work as a group, being more efficient solo is a problem. Too weak PvE encounters would make that even more pronounced.

Giving straight out bonuses just for being in a group like on the other server is not balanced in any way. You should get group bonuses for BAF encounters which are triggered by group strength, which is the correct way to do it and the way Mythic implemented it.

Blue wrote:Giving straight out bonuses just for being in a group like on the other server is not balanced in any way. You should get group bonuses for BAF encounters which are triggered by group strength, which is the correct way to do it and the way Mythic implemented it.

I disagree, the grp bonus system on Genesis was genious. Noone played alone there, even ****** classes got invited since even though they couldnt really contribute the XP bonus was still enough reason to invite them.

What is genious about being in a group afk while your group profits from you just for being in the group? Thats just dumb, thats not even a proper game design. Why should you get more experience for not having more challenge? Experience is given out as reward for the challenge you had and scales appropriately. The correct way to include players is that you need them in your group, not just for bonuses but for helping with encounters.

Blue wrote: Thats just dumb, thats not even a proper game design.

The irony of you saying that is just golden.

Meanwhile you keep crap like autotrain in the game and chose to design a server where 2-4 classes on each realm are total pariahs in their realm in terms of getting PvE/RvR groups.


Mythic also kept designing the game and fixing things after patch 1.65 that one might argue made the game design better and more functional. Yes, in some ways it changed the game fundamentally into something else - but it also opened up more classes to being included in the game and included some quality changes that stopped wasting peoples time.

Blue wrote:The correct way to include players is that you need them in your group, not just for bonuses but for helping with encounters.

That would be true if every class was a viable addition to a group and single specs that were tuned for both PvE and RvR, but that's not the case.

Game designed to make all classes feel welcome, especially when leveling. Sounds dumb.

krycek wrote:Game designed to make all classes feel welcome, especially when leveling. Sounds dumb.

Where is the game design if getting xp and bonus for being afk in a group gets rewarded? It rewards power leveling services for sure.

We have proper group bonus in the game already which adds quite some bonus for each additional attacker (depends on group size!). You face more mobs, you get more bonus. That bonus is not even small, its +20% for each mob which easily sums up to +80% XP bonus. Just use what exists in the game already. Everything else you ask for is free lunch again. What you refer to on the other server was a bug due to a misunderstanding of how group bonus in DAoC works.

Where do you get the being afk part? I actually played on the other server, leveled multiple characters to 50 and had all kinds of different setups you wouldn't see here and nobody afk'd. They played their class. As for the pl services..what? It seems to me it would do just the opposite. Ppl here are trading/paying for pl's left and right..why? Because they probly play an unwanted group class whereas the bonus to grouping xp the other server had encouraged grouping those unwanted classes. I've seen so many occassions where a class will get overlooked here to wait for the ideal setup, just for pve, and the group slot would go unfilled for a long time. That wouldn't happen if you add in the group bonus for more members.

Mistake or not, it worked and imo it worked really well.

Budikah wrote:

Blue wrote: Thats just dumb, thats not even a proper game design.

The irony of you saying that is just golden.

Meanwhile you keep crap like autotrain in the game and chose to design a server where 2-4 classes on each realm are total pariahs in their realm in terms of getting PvE/RvR groups.


Mythic also kept designing the game and fixing things after patch 1.65 that one might argue made the game design better and more functional. Yes, in some ways it changed the game fundamentally into something else - but it also opened up more classes to being included in the game and included some quality changes that stopped wasting peoples time.

Yikes. And.... I couldn't agree more.