Yagami wrote:

[R]Bloodwyne wrote:ppl that can take some criticism and accept a certain hierachy

If you watched Rare playing early on a couple of weeks ago, you know what to expect of that and their leader.

Being talked down to and raging

Not a pleasant atmosphere.

Was thinking the same when I was reading his posts, seems like a wonderful way to spend your free-time.

Pao wrote:

Yagami wrote:

[R]Bloodwyne wrote:ppl that can take some criticism and accept a certain hierachy

If you watched Rare playing early on a couple of weeks ago, you know what to expect of that and their leader.

Being talked down to and raging

Not a pleasant atmosphere.

Was thinking the same when I was reading his posts, seems like a wonderful way to spend your free-time.

Sounds like you guys haven't played many competitive videogames

Some kind of hierachy is, in many situations, needed to develop as a team.
When things get heated and the group is not performing, tempers can rise for some people, and the tone can get a little hard.
But i dont think it should be interpreted as being "talked down to".

ostebjarne wrote:Sounds like you guys haven't played many competitive videogames

Some kind of hierachy is, in many situations, needed to develop as a team.
When things get heated and the group is not performing, tempers can rise for some people, and the tone can get a little hard.
But i dont think it should be interpreted as being "talked down to".

The people who rage are usually the ones who, deep down, know they're really not that good, so their attitude is a means to gain attention, a way of saying: 'acknowledge my skills and put my insecurities to rest!' But the truth is, they're usually the most pseudo-skilled players. The truly good players in competitive games -- or anything, really -- step back, observe, scrutinize, refine and adapt. Of course, you kind of lose patience for all that as you get older, unless it's truly beneficial to your life.

Or maybe have the knowledge of game mechanics to counter the accusations.

Castra wrote:

ostebjarne wrote:Sounds like you guys haven't played many competitive videogames

Some kind of hierachy is, in many situations, needed to develop as a team.
When things get heated and the group is not performing, tempers can rise for some people, and the tone can get a little hard.
But i dont think it should be interpreted as being "talked down to".

The people who rage are usually the ones who, deep down, know they're really not that good, so their attitude is a means to gain attention, a way of saying: 'acknowledge my skills and put my insecurities to rest!' But the truth is, they're usually the most pseudo-skilled players. The truly good players in competitive games -- or anything, really -- step back, observe, scrutinize, refine and adapt. Of course, you kind of lose patience for all that as you get older, unless it's truly beneficial to your life.

Let's take the example of Lebron James (probably one of the most accomplished basketball players in modern time), you will see him talk to his teammates in what you might interpret as a "raging" manner. I wouldn't try to argue that hes, deep down, a pseudo-skilled basketball player. You will find this kind of hard tone in any competetive environment.

ostebjarne wrote:

Castra wrote:

ostebjarne wrote:Sounds like you guys haven't played many competitive videogames

Some kind of hierachy is, in many situations, needed to develop as a team.
When things get heated and the group is not performing, tempers can rise for some people, and the tone can get a little hard.
But i dont think it should be interpreted as being "talked down to".

The people who rage are usually the ones who, deep down, know they're really not that good, so their attitude is a means to gain attention, a way of saying: 'acknowledge my skills and put my insecurities to rest!' But the truth is, they're usually the most pseudo-skilled players. The truly good players in competitive games -- or anything, really -- step back, observe, scrutinize, refine and adapt. Of course, you kind of lose patience for all that as you get older, unless it's truly beneficial to your life.

Let's take the example of Lebron James (probably one of the most accomplished basketball players in modern time), you will see him talk to his teammates in what you might interpret as a "raging" manner. I wouldn't try to argue that hes, deep down, a pseudo-skilled basketball player. You will find this kind of hard tone in any competetive environment.

You're mistaking passion for proficiency. Also, high end competitive gaming is all about 1v1 which is looked at from a totally different perspective than team based games (and I'm talking about proper competitive games like classic FPS and Broodwar, not those pansy ass MOBAs, GS:Go, and Overwatch which people pawn off as e-sports these days). Most rage in DAoC would boil down to egos and self-proclaimed status, kind of like seeing the guy in the pub screaming at the TV when his local football team misses a shot. But the truth still remains that, even a team based game, a good group would discuss the problem and brainstorm ways to fix it rather than blaming someone, kind of like the way Japanese run their businesses.

Castra wrote:
You're mistaking passion for proficiency. Also, high end competitive gaming is all about 1v1 which is looked at from a totally different perspective than team based games (and I'm talking about proper competitive games like classic FPS and Broodwar, not those pansy ass MOBAs, GS:Go, and Overwatch which people pawn off as e-sports these days). Most rage in DAoC would boil down to egos and self-proclaimed status, kind of like seeing the guy in the pub screaming at the TV when his local football team misses a shot. But the truth still remains that, even a team based game, a good group would discuss the problem and brainstorm ways to fix it rather than blaming someone, kind of like the way Japanese run their businesses.

I think we a misunderstanding each other

I was only referering to how the tone can get hard in the actual match, when adjustments needs to be made in order to win the fight, like tanks on wrong targets, overextended etc.
Have you seen how many of top soccer players communicate on the field?
Im not aguring that its good to speak in a way like that, im just saying that ít should be expected

The 1v1 vs teambased interaction and japanese business culture is a discussion for another day