Expfighter wrote:

Ardri wrote:You just have to come to the realization that there is virtually no action other than 8v8 on Uthgard right now. Hopefully it gets better when more people hit 50, but i'm doubtful after finding out first hand how terrible OF is for solo/small man.

A lot of people are quitting before they hit 50 due to no quality of life changes and ridiculous grind. The people who play DAoC now are older and won't put up with intentional time wasters which don't add to the experience/fun factor. Even more are quitting once they get to 50 and find out how bad the action is if you're not in an 8man. Especially NA time zone.

While i understand what you are saying about OF, i cannot agree with you because OF had Character, NF sucks, everything is flat and BOOOOORRRRIIINNNNGGGGGGGGGG.

And to the others saying why go out in the Frontiers before 50, well i am having a ball killing those i can kill, while getting killed by those i can't! If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen!

Lvl 37 scout, 127 solo kills almost rr2 and that is mostly in Uppland alone!

See ya out there!

I killed a grey earlier, if i killed another 125 of them i would be rr2.

Ardri wrote:You just have to come to the realization that there is virtually no action other than 8v8 on Uthgard right now. Hopefully it gets better when more people hit 50, but i'm doubtful after finding out first hand how terrible OF is for solo/small man.

A lot of people are quitting before they hit 50 due to no quality of life changes and ridiculous grind. The people who play DAoC now are older and won't put up with intentional time wasters which don't add to the experience/fun factor. Even more are quitting once they get to 50 and find out how bad the action is if you're not in an 8man. Especially NA time zone.

If this is true, why am I and my small exp grps constantly getting ganked by 2-3 man teams in uppland/jampt

Maybe you're not looking in the right spots.

relvinian wrote:

Expfighter wrote:

Ardri wrote:You just have to come to the realization that there is virtually no action other than 8v8 on Uthgard right now. Hopefully it gets better when more people hit 50, but i'm doubtful after finding out first hand how terrible OF is for solo/small man.

A lot of people are quitting before they hit 50 due to no quality of life changes and ridiculous grind. The people who play DAoC now are older and won't put up with intentional time wasters which don't add to the experience/fun factor. Even more are quitting once they get to 50 and find out how bad the action is if you're not in an 8man. Especially NA time zone.

While i understand what you are saying about OF, i cannot agree with you because OF had Character, NF sucks, everything is flat and BOOOOORRRRIIINNNNGGGGGGGGGG.

And to the others saying why go out in the Frontiers before 50, well i am having a ball killing those i can kill, while getting killed by those i can't! If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen!

Lvl 37 scout, 127 solo kills almost rr2 and that is mostly in Uppland alone!

See ya out there!

I killed a grey earlier, if i killed another 125 of them i would be rr2.

Umm no you wouldn't, you would be r1l2, you would have to kill 7125 greys to get rr2!

Ardri wrote:Even more are quitting once they get to 50 and find out how bad the action is if you're not in an 8man.

That's my case. A few weeks after I hit 50 I went on another realm, and I'm now simply enjoying low level PvE because of how uninteresting the RvR was, even though I actually like 8vs8. There is no diversity at all, apart from the occasional relic raids. I still see many people leveling classes with something else than 8vs8 in mind, so there's a strong demand for it, but there's a certain elitism that simply prevents it from happening. OF and its huge time sink may also play a role.

"The game starts at 50". For many, it just ends.

Expfighter wrote:Umm no you wouldn't, you would be r1l2, you would have to kill 7125 greys to get rr2!

Some grays give a decent amount of RPs.

personally don't bother with frontiers because every single time i have gone out there some alb minstrel pops up and insta-gibs me then runs with glee in their hearts.

...and when i say every time, i literally mean every single time i have gone out into OF, i'm ganked within 6 minutes.

What's the point in feeding gankernubs with feelgoods for no effort?

The risk isnt worth the reward. If it was 20% xp bonus in certain areas, i think more groups would be interested.
5% is just not worth it.

bm01 wrote:

Ardri wrote:Even more are quitting once they get to 50 and find out how bad the action is if you're not in an 8man.

That's my case. A few weeks after I hit 50 I went on another realm, and I'm now simply enjoying low level PvE because of how uninteresting the RvR was, even though I actually like 8vs8. There is no diversity at all, apart from the occasional relic raids. I still see many people leveling classes with something else than 8vs8 in mind, so there's a strong demand for it, but there's a certain elitism that simply prevents it from happening. OF and its huge time sink may also play a role.

"The game starts at 50". For many, it just ends.

Expfighter wrote:Umm no you wouldn't, you would be r1l2, you would have to kill 7125 greys to get rr2!

Some grays give a decent amount of RPs.

EVERY grey i have killed at 37 has been worth 1 rp and 1 bp!

No offense, but it does seem like you're complaining for the sake of complaining. You say the XP bonus isn't great, but you didn't bother to get the outpost bonus, which is generally 5%-10% more XP per kill even if it's not a keep owned by your guild. Someone points this out, and you say that you have to kill 100+ level 23s to get a realm rank. What the hell does that have to do with XP? It just sounds like you were deflecting from the XP issue. Even if it made sense to bring up RPs at that point, why would you only be killing level 23s if you're 40+, for example? If you're not 40+, then you're closer to 23 yourself, in which case a small number of RPs is actually reasonable.

None of this really makes sense and I have to agree with an earlier poster that you seem to hunt down things to complain about on these forums.

My Hunter was 2L5 with Lvl 48.

With a Hunter its no problem to join Fz earlier cause no Stealth Autotrain.

Stealth isn't the problem im 47 temped, and my stealth is composite.

The real issue is the question-- why would anyone go into the frontier zone before 50?

Hello everyone!

[Im a Casual Player]

I made 90% of my XP in Frontiers, roaming FZs daily, 100% Solo, 100% Adrenaline... Pre-50 RvR is basicly all i do, and i enjoy every single Minute.

relvinian wrote:The real issue is the question-- why would anyone go into the frontier zone before 50?

I can only answer for myself:
For the Spirit, for the Challenge, for the Thrill, for the Fun, to scout for Invaders, to get some RPs, to meet and kill new People. Yeah, i guess that nails it pretty much.

Oh yeah, surely ist a kind of "Lifestyle" too...



Greetings,
Djamak

I'm still only level 49 and hit 2L3 today, don't kill any Greys, just Yellow and Orange+. Sometimes it is hard to get pass the 8man camping Odins/Emain and sometimes i can't find anyone. But today i roamed yggdra a lot and if i can't find somebody i went to the Fenrirspot and got 3 Bubbles over the day. Way better then grinding hours in LB or the hell that is lyonesse.

Peraine wrote:I'm still only level 49 and hit 2L3 today, don't kill any Greys, just Yellow and Orange+. Sometimes it is hard to get pass the 8man camping Odins/Emain and sometimes i can't find anyone. But today i roamed yggdra a lot and if i can't find somebody i went to the Fenrirspot and got 3 Bubbles over the day. Way better then grinding hours in LB or the hell that is lyonesse.

Glad you decided to come out today to feed my pre-50 BD RPs!

I XP a lot in the frontier for the outpost bonus and for the occasional opportunity to fight enemies.

joshisanonymous wrote:

Peraine wrote:I'm still only level 49 and hit 2L3 today, don't kill any Greys, just Yellow and Orange+. Sometimes it is hard to get pass the 8man camping Odins/Emain and sometimes i can't find anyone. But today i roamed yggdra a lot and if i can't find somebody i went to the Fenrirspot and got 3 Bubbles over the day. Way better then grinding hours in LB or the hell that is lyonesse.

Glad you decided to come out today to feed my pre-50 BD RPs!

I XP a lot in the frontier for the outpost bonus and for the occasional opportunity to fight enemies.

Your damn grey mysticer resisted the mezz and interrupted me, while my pet was hitting you out of the mezz

I went out and fed myself to three hibs. I shot one then it was out of los somehow. Than I ran but of course the pet which i never targetted, mind you the enchanter pet followed me into stealth. I had shot the druid. Needless to say they stun nuked me and high fived each other for the rps from my dumb ass.

You just can't kill 3 of anything and one has speed and they have pets. Yuck. I mean speed + pet which is on auto follow for light years, yeah I'm a whiny ****** what can i say .

You are welcome for the rps.