Trainwrex wrote:The rewards need to be more substantial than a couple percent on damage. The modifiers would need to be more noticeable, which would make it more worth while to keep people wanting to attack and defend. Give each individual keep a recognizable bonus in which people would actively want.

IE. Bonus to realm xp, bonus to coin dropped, bonus to drop rates, Bonus to RP, Bonus to Evade, block, etc. etc.

Fighting guards for RP, creates a farming situation, which was previously discussed. However if keeps have no Tangible reward other than DF or a minor incread in pvp dps, then there is really no incentive to be fighting over them. Which is exactly what we are seeing now.

These bonuses only affect PvP specifically in relation to damage dealt, realm points and bounty points.

Genjiro wrote:

Trainwrex wrote:The rewards need to be more substantial than a couple percent on damage. The modifiers would need to be more noticeable, which would make it more worth while to keep people wanting to attack and defend. Give each individual keep a recognizable bonus in which people would actively want.

IE. Bonus to realm xp, bonus to coin dropped, bonus to drop rates, Bonus to RP, Bonus to Evade, block, etc. etc.

Fighting guards for RP, creates a farming situation, which was previously discussed. However if keeps have no Tangible reward other than DF or a minor incread in pvp dps, then there is really no incentive to be fighting over them. Which is exactly what we are seeing now.

These bonuses only affect PvP specifically in relation to damage dealt, realm points and bounty points.

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jeff_daoj wrote:Unfortunately, that doesn't change the point that taking keeps is incredibly boring and has no immediate reward. That's just the way DAOC is (for me anyways).

Genjiro wrote:

Trainwrex wrote:The rewards need to be more substantial than a couple percent on damage. The modifiers would need to be more noticeable, which would make it more worth while to keep people wanting to attack and defend. Give each individual keep a recognizable bonus in which people would actively want.

IE. Bonus to realm xp, bonus to coin dropped, bonus to drop rates, Bonus to RP, Bonus to Evade, block, etc. etc.

Fighting guards for RP, creates a farming situation, which was previously discussed. However if keeps have no Tangible reward other than DF or a minor incread in pvp dps, then there is really no incentive to be fighting over them. Which is exactly what we are seeing now.

These bonuses only affect PvP specifically in relation to damage dealt, realm points and bounty points.

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Gil wrote:

Everz1 wrote:I think this has shown that a true classic server doesn't work. Whilst Live in current form does blow, there were huge strides taken to make this game more enjoyable for the masses. Currently, Uth is spot on for 8v8, it's brilliant. Anything else is falling by the wayside.

I do find a lot of people have given up on it, the realisation of what is required to get going on here has put people off, myself included.

Hopefully there will be some QoL changes in the future to help benefit the more casual player, as it stands, it's a nice idea but the progress is slow that a good handful have gotten bored and drifted back to other games.

I'm sure it's true that a lot of folks have given up and moved on (or back) to another game. But that's not unique to Uthgard. Every MMO has that issue. People try a game for a few hours or days and then drift away. I recall a study that showed that a SUCESSFUL MMO would retain ~ 30% of it's players after the first month. So, it's to be expected that ~ 70% of those who try the game won't stay.


And yet, Uthgard needs a sizable population to be fun. Here, the other players are our targets. If we don't have enough targets we'll all stop playing. Is there any hope? Sure, new players keep starting the game. Some of them will like it and stay active for a while. As long as enough new players come in to replace those moving away, the game will do well.

Now, the question might be asked, 'What tweaks could the staff do to increase the player retention rate?'. Would some of the QoL changes to make the game more friendly to new players keep them playing longer? It MIGHT but too many changes to make the game easier will drive some of the hardcore players away. So, it isn't easy to know which QoL changes will retain more players than they drive away.

Dromina wrote:The main reason for the non existing keep warfare on this setting is that all keeps (except Beno/Bled/DC for crafters) are mostly worthless. You don't have to conquer any keep to attack a relic keep.

Therefore if one realm wants to start a relic raid they just run to the relic keep, kill guards, open doors and get the relic.

Dromina wrote:The main reason for the non existing keep warfare on this setting is that all keeps (except Beno/Bled/DC for crafters) are mostly worthless. You don't have to conquer any keep to attack a relic keep.

Nezix wrote:So in my opinion you really do need to take keeps to for a successful relic raid.

Budikah wrote:This is one of those things - back in 1.65 people did these things just because it was fun, and they still do today, but too much of the game has been washed down what is the most effective and everything else collects dust.

Bubbler wrote:

Budikah wrote:This is one of those things - back in 1.65 people did these things just because it was fun, and they still do today, but too much of the game has been washed down what is the most effective and everything else collects dust.

Not in Hibernia they don't. Trying to get people to go take keeps is like herding cats. It's pretty horrible, ppl only want rps and 8v8/zerg fighting rather than trying to pull out more enemies with keeps. Then when some can't even get 8v8 groups, becomes pointless.