Moondragon1 wrote:Why are there like 5 zillion people rerolling alts all the time? We have tons of people level 20-30 and when people try to organize some RvR, they can't be bothered to get off the level 20 alt and log on their higher level character. I know it happens everywhere in every game, but it just blows my mind that people always say this is an RvR focused game but a vast majority of players would rather level alts.

Log on your 50, go out and RvR, find nothing or find only zergs. So what do you do? You either log off or log on an alt because there's nothing else for a lvl 50 to do in this game. -If people had some other reason to be on their 50s (taking keeps, SI, tasks, etc) there would be a lot more people willing to RvR.

I haven't logged on in 2 weeks because I'm tired of not finding balanced fights during NA times. My small group either gets rolled by 2 groups or I end up killing expers that don't stand a chance. There's no consistent small man action on this server anymore because all the 8 mans and zergs prefer to kill crafters than have real fights in emain. The whole PvP situation on this server seems to revolve around epeen and nobody wants to lose or get a bad reputation so they'd rather not play with strangers, they won't play with sub-optimal team comps, and they won't attempt to fight any groups that might be too much of a challenge.

i know how to get people to go get them relics back. NO Bonus EXP unless you have at least ONE Relic.

What happened to zerg leaders like Hector over here? I know there's lots of casuals in Alb needing some zerg leadership, hope someone steps forward

Sendnudez wrote:What happened to zerg leaders like Hector over here? I know there's lots of casuals in Alb needing some zerg leadership, hope someone steps forward

I haven't seen anybody in Eurotime but in midday/NA time I've seen...

Sadnbad - runs dragon raids

Melbs/Release Alliance - attended one relic raid by them - they possibly run more, not sure, not in that alliance.

Splitquick/We Play For Keeps Alliance - RvR/PvE bgs

Satanic - me, I ran an impromptu relic raid turned general RvR BG the other day. People got salty about the relic part, general RvR BG went much better.

In general, it's a bunch of work, and inevitably people get salty or have their own opinions. If you fail, you suck and did everything wrong. If you win, even everyone in generally pretty happy. If you ****** with the 8mans, your a no skill asshole, if you don't and they assjam your barely sentient raid, you are a no skill scrub and they gloat.

When I was in Melbs relic run people were salty as ****** about that and decisions made.

When I ran my own, same thing, and people were a bit miffed that there was no notice (which for me was the entire point).

It's a bit unrewarding at times and you need to have thick skin because people are cunts. I plan to lead more impromptu bgs every now and then as work permits, but I've got too much of a life to do it every night - on workdays I don't get on until 10pm PST.

Forewarning, any BG I run will operate with the sole goal of killing just about anything we encounter.

Edit - not to mention the pretty much non existent rewards for taking keeps with lackluster passive rewards, currently broken /title for taking keeps etc, and the fact that you could take every keep in the game for your side during NA hours and nobody ever seems to bother defending anything the next day. It just becomes a time/money sink with the rewards being passive, and the good rewards limited to guilds only. People still do it because it's fun, but the carrot on the end of the string is more like a sponge painted orange and most people are just doing it because that's the style of RvR they enjoy, otherwise, mechanics wise it's costly and not very rewarding with 1.65/Uth systems.

Budikah wrote:

Sendnudez wrote:What happened to zerg leaders like Hector over here? I know there's lots of casuals in Alb needing some zerg leadership, hope someone steps forward

I haven't seen anybody in Eurotime but in midday/NA time I've seen...

Sadnbad - runs dragon raids

Melbs/Release Alliance - attended one relic raid by them - they possibly run more, not sure, not in that alliance.

Splitquick/We Play For Keeps Alliance - RvR/PvE bgs

Satanic - me, I ran an impromptu relic raid turned general RvR BG the other day. People got salty about the relic part, general RvR BG went much better.

In general, it's a bunch of work, and inevitably people get salty or have their own opinions. If you fail, you suck and did everything wrong. If you win, even everyone in generally pretty happy. If you ****** with the 8mans, your a no skill asshole, if you don't and they assjam your barely sentient raid, you are a no skill scrub and they gloat.

When I was in Melbs relic run people were salty as ****** about that and decisions made.

When I ran my own, same thing, and people were a bit miffed that there was no notice (which for me was the entire point).

It's a bit unrewarding at times and you need to have thick skin because people are cunts. I plan to lead more impromptu bgs every now and then as work permits, but I've got too much of a life to do it every night - on workdays I don't get on until 10pm PST.

Forewarning, any BG I run will operate with the sole goal of killing just about anything we encounter.

Edit - not to mention the pretty much non existent rewards for taking keeps with lackluster passive rewards, currently broken /title for taking keeps etc, and the fact that you could take every keep in the game for your side during NA hours and nobody ever seems to bother defending anything the next day. It just becomes a time/money sink with the rewards being passive, and the good rewards limited to guilds only. People still do it because it's fun, but the carrot on the end of the string is more like a sponge painted orange and most people are just doing it because that's the style of RvR they enjoy, otherwise, mechanics wise it's costly and not very rewarding with 1.65/Uth systems.

I hear ya man, I didn't mean for that to come off as suggesting that leading that type of stuff is easy. It really takes a certain type of person & divine patience.

Budikah wrote:

Sendnudez wrote:What happened to zerg leaders like Hector over here? I know there's lots of casuals in Alb needing some zerg leadership, hope someone steps forward

I haven't seen anybody in Eurotime but in midday/NA time I've seen...

Edit - not to mention the pretty much non existent rewards for taking keeps with lackluster passive rewards, currently broken /title for taking keeps etc, and the fact that you could take every keep in the game for your side during NA hours and nobody ever seems to bother defending anything the next day. It just becomes a time/money sink with the rewards being passive, and the good rewards limited to guilds only. People still do it because it's fun, but the carrot on the end of the string is more like a sponge painted orange and most people are just doing it because that's the style of RvR they enjoy, otherwise, mechanics wise it's costly and not very rewarding with 1.65/Uth systems.

This 1000x

And the devs wonder why people dont take keeps and there's hardly any zerg action lol.

Give me 2 hours with the GMs of the 3 largest zerg guilds on alb and Ill have all of albs relics back before you can spam on your necro "WTS/WTT PL". Will it happen? No. Can it happen? easily

Flyguy wrote:Give me 2 hours with the GMs of the 3 largest zerg guilds on alb and Ill have all of albs relics back before you can spam on your necro "WTS/WTT PL". Will it happen? No. Can it happen? easily

Pretty sure that's less likely to happen given your past track record. But if really are back in Alb to be that body then know that there are a lot of players that will roll with you.

BumblesZERG wrote:

Flyguy wrote:Give me 2 hours with the GMs of the 3 largest zerg guilds on alb and Ill have all of albs relics back before you can spam on your necro "WTS/WTT PL". Will it happen? No. Can it happen? easily

Pretty sure that's less likely to happen given your past track record. But if really are back in Alb to be that body then know that there are a lot of players that will roll with you.

Yeah I understand people are still bitter that we went to hib. I'm back on alb and would be happy to help lead zergs again but as far as I can tell its not gonna happen because the larger guilds dont have any interest in making alb great again. I plan to make my own guild again but without the support of a large alliance that wants relics, DF, and to be relevant, its gonna be a PvE realm

All I can say is make waves with your new guild. Make a solid name again and then talk to the guys in WP4K alliance about joining the alliance. 90% of the time Alb has DF and a clean frontier it's due to them. Relics will come again..

Flyguy wrote:

BumblesZERG wrote:

Flyguy wrote:Give me 2 hours with the GMs of the 3 largest zerg guilds on alb and Ill have all of albs relics back before you can spam on your necro "WTS/WTT PL". Will it happen? No. Can it happen? easily

Pretty sure that's less likely to happen given your past track record. But if really are back in Alb to be that body then know that there are a lot of players that will roll with you.

Yeah I understand people are still bitter that we went to hib. I'm back on alb and would be happy to help lead zergs again but as far as I can tell its not gonna happen because the larger guilds dont have any interest in making alb great again. I plan to make my own guild again but without the support of a large alliance that wants relics, DF, and to be relevant, its gonna be a PvE realm

Drop the notion it's purely a pve realm, you went hib when MAJORITY of people was leveling and templating their RvR mains. You left an alliance without word for a month without a a clue what was going on. There were plenty of people in said alliance wanting to RvR even tho they were leveling RvR chars at the time.

With all due respect Hector, you shouldn't talk when you screwed over an entire alliance and guild because you got impatient.

Drop the notion it's purely a pve realm, you went hib when MAJORITY of people was leveling and templating their RvR mains. You left an alliance without word for a month without a a clue what was going on. There were plenty of people in said alliance wanting to RvR even tho they were leveling RvR chars at the time.

With all due respect Hector, you shouldn't talk when you screwed over an entire alliance and guild because you got impatient.

I can appreciate your opinion, but your logic is flawed. The former alliance we ran is now split into 2 larger, more powerful alliances between the Release and WPFK alliances. If anything, alb should be in a better position now to do things in RvR because they can mobilize 2x the number of guilds as we could in the first 1.5 months post-launch. This also doesn't include the Prime alliance which is the more RvR-focused alliance of the 3, but I'm merely talking about the aforementioned casual zerg alliances.

But we don't succeed in RvR. That's not the result of 4 people leaving Critical to test out the other realms, its the result of poor leadership on Alb. This isn't hearsay, it's objectively verifiable by relative % of RPs earned in the past month across the 3 realms, as well as the timeshare of DF & the ownership and successful attempts on relics. Alb comes in last in all of these metrics, both because we are disproportionately losing and disproportionately not in RvR. (this obv doesn't include Buds, who is without question the best 8man on the server, its just a general trend for the vast majority of Alb).

While mid and hib continue to trade relics, we continue to trade PLs. It's all good if thats how people want to play, because everybody should use their gaming time however they most enjoy it. But your assertion that 4 people leaving Critical somehow crippled alb to the point of not being able to have any meaningful large scale success for the past 2 months is so non-linear that I can't take it seriously.

The tide is going to change, it's shifting now....we need to come together as a realm.

I will use the 8 mans if they wish to assist, but if not that is their choice.
There are folks that run BG's as RL dictates.

Satanic
Terme
Dainsleif
Vack

I see those folks fire up BG's all the time, and We Play For Keeps is out a lot as well.

This realm, if it ever wants to succeed needs to look back on the past, and start thinking for the realm not just for themselves.