By coming after the tier1 resist, and resist buffs, it reduces the reduced dmg/CC duration...

Severian wrote:Doesn't seem worth getting if your goal is to reduce CC durations. But I don't think that's why people get Avoidance of Magic do they?

I think it's absolutely worth it. AoM has been my "temporary" RA while saving for others. I think rr7+ aom 3 is totally justifiable on any melee. Especially peelers.

since they cost the same amount of points:
Mastery of pain 4: 5% increased crit chance
AoM3: secondary magic damage reduction and small reduction in CC durations.

for me on Arms it's a no-brainer. Maybe savage would want the extra burst potential, but even then they face more caster trains than I do, so the reduction would be nice. could still see an argument.

but personally I don't think of it as "only 3-4 seconds" CC reduction. when the mez lasts like 12 to begin with and savages/zerks can kill casters in 2 swings, 3 seconds is massive.

Severian wrote:Doesn't seem worth getting if your goal is to reduce CC durations. But I don't think that's why people get Avoidance of Magic do they?

for the most part. you get it to reduce damage taken until you can afford something like IP.

AoM does not reduce CC duration for Minstrels from Mage or Elementalist roots, so pretty sure it does nothing at all.

73 second root lasts 54 seconds with 26% resist and AoM 3. AoM does nothing for duration.

Ensley03 wrote:AoM does not reduce CC duration for Minstrels from Mage or Elementalist roots, so pretty sure it does nothing at all.

73 second root lasts 54 seconds with 26% resist and AoM 3. AoM does nothing for duration.

Interesting, are you saying it does not reduce CC at all or that it only reduce CC on some spells?

As a hybrid with no access to the holy grail of determination any and all CC reduction is most welcome.
I specced out of AoM as I was under the impression that it only worked on damage and not duration.

Cirdans post is clear though.
Perhaps there are some unknown bugs or issues that needs to be addressed?

Have you given it some tests Ensley?

seanbud wrote:

Severian wrote:Doesn't seem worth getting if your goal is to reduce CC durations. But I don't think that's why people get Avoidance of Magic do they?

I think it's absolutely worth it.

I think it's worth it too. I bought AoM II until I can get enough points for IP. Infinitely better than just letting those RPs sit in my character sheet for another half a realm rank.

if i remember correctly 2nd tier resists should not only NOT reduce cc duration but actually INCREASE cc duration

this was changed only like 3-4 years ago somewhen before/after 1.11 and made speccing aom/em viable

Zocci wrote:

Ensley03 wrote:
Cirdans post is clear though.
Perhaps there are some unknown bugs or issues that needs to be addressed?

Have you given it some tests Ensley?

curious to know this myself

EDIT: My bad, wrong math.

the tests i ran myself were with skalds on uthgard live. there could be a problem with the spells you tried or the classes in alb

norada wrote:the tests i ran myself were with skalds on uthgard live. there could be a problem with the spells you tried or the classes in alb

Just here to say norad is bad. That is all.

norada wrote:aom also reduces cc duration

not supposed to do that anymore in 1.65. however it seems to have a tiny effect on CC duration on uthgard.

XiaN^^ wrote:

norada wrote:aom also reduces cc duration

not supposed to do that anymore in 1.65. however it seems to have a tiny effect on CC duration on uthgard.

It should and does reduce CC duration based on our research for 1.65.
Still, it is only a secondary reduction and cannot be compared to Det-reduction or primary resists!

If you find spells not being affected it is a bug and will be corrected.
Please open a new issue for those spells you find.

If I remember it correct it always had the wrong description (does not reduce effect of crowd control spells, or something like that) but it did indeed always reduce them. But as Genjiro pointed out, just as second tier resist.

holsten-knight wrote:If I remember it correct it always had the wrong description (does not reduce effect of crowd control spells, or something like that) but it did indeed always reduce them. But as Genjiro pointed out, just as second tier resist.

nah it didnt always but he is right for once in 1.65 it still did. secondary resists eventually got changed to only effect direct dmg spells (not CC, disease or even dots) and mythic ****** it up royally and then aom would actually increase CC duration. that bug stayed in the game for many years and appearantly recently got fixed.