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Evinac wrote:
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Tundra is needed as deterrent against alb grps with un ccable minstrels with oj/red pets. Called asymetric balance. Extended minstrels and arms risc serious injury now if they over stay their welcome.

Minstrels are very ccable.

Nearsight has no cure.
Stun lasts full duration because no det.
Melee snare styles affect them just the same as all.
Disease has no immunity and is bugged on this server >> Minstrel heal song does absolutely nothing vs disease, when on live it did at a lesser rate.
If you kill the minstrels pet they are the same as a paladin (which some groups will if you run a yellow or lesser pet).

I recall many of the complaints against LA damage back in the day. I don't recall ever hearing much about Tundra other than from zerks claiming it was a worthless RA...

Anyone have any evidence it does the same damage on live or the same as it did back in 1.65?

Most likely it is bugged here and does super damage....

but unless it can be proven...

Am I the only one whose jaw hit the floor when they realized that ppl are actually buying the RA styles...???

Grunklestank wrote:Am I the only one whose jaw hit the floor when they realized that ppl are actually buying the RA styles...???

I'm guessing someone messed with it in Beta when you had free respecs and RR5 and you could test out different things.

They realized what it did on UTH2.0 ....

Probably a bug but no way to test as it appears to no longer exist on live.

Torgo wrote:

Grunklestank wrote:Am I the only one whose jaw hit the floor when they realized that ppl are actually buying the RA styles...???

I'm guessing someone messed with it in Beta when you had free respecs and RR5 and you could test out different things.

They realized what it did on UTH2.0 ....

Probably a bug but no way to test as it appears to no longer exist on live.

Yah.... but isn't it a 10min CD?

Zerker is the ONLY class this even remotely makes sense on, and it's super questionable even then. Of course, I guess you could run a 2H Zerk/Warr gimmick train where everyone had it... but still... meh.

It does kinda make me miss the 4-5 2H Savage trains that stomped across Mordred back in the day (for a month or 2 before they got nerfed)

Nah just an exploit. The dmg formula doesn't seem to have any cap whatsoever, so just max out all the variables, throw in the easy-mode cooldown and you'll get crazy numbers that don't belong in any conversation about balance.

I checked out the abomination that was live last year, there was a troll zerker hitting ppl for 4k+ once cooldowns aligned.

I checked the Doombringer style in beta and to me it seemed to be a normal style on a 10 minute cooldown just with a higher GR than other stlyes.
Not sure if the Tundra style is working different, but it will probably also have a higher GR and maybe deal +50-150 dmg in comparison to normal weapon styles while using a 2hand weapon, plus it got a 15 min cooldown.

A berserk won't even need this RA to be able to perform 1200+ hits against specific targets (vulnerable armor type / low absorb).
In beta i often hit SCed infils and nightshades for 550+ dmg with my 5,5 speed crush 2hand, str/con + dex/qui charged + 75 quick in my temp. If i had a Dragonstorm with 5,8 speed, no quick bonus in my temp and also no dex/qui charge up, those hits would have exceeded the 650 mark, i am sure. A nearly max critical hit in vendo mode would result in 1200-1300 damage.

I was in this group, I was a split second away from hitting him with my insta heal and he still might have died. At first I felt like a failure and then I saw the size of the hit and felt a smidgen better for myself.

Well, just another step to kill the rvr for casuals and be frustating for the rest.

Guys the style is bugged. This style was useless in old RA. So we just do a bug report you up vote it, it gets fixed and we are fine again.
How can ppl think there was a style allowing you one hitting targets....

https://www2.uthgard.net/tracker/issue/4166/

upvote this.

Lore-wise, we have here a 400kg Troll bearing weapons half his weight and going berserk on a 50kg slender dude wearing Lycra.

these are LA or 2H hits?

pweet wrote:these are LA or 2H hits?

2h, cause it's Dragonstorm ^^