Ah super! The missing dataset. Thanks for that. Saves a ton of effort! xD


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Budikah wrote:Can we setup some sort of tip jar for having this guy actually do what needed to be done all along?

Yes where do I send dogecoins

That test looks like bullshit for anyone that plays actively on this server.

Anyone that has a caster that is out RvRing nightly will tell you that those test results are 100% bullshit. A red spell simply should NOT be resisted 4+ times in a row. That's ****** insanity. You can put every complex equasion in the world in the forums to make yourself seem like a genius but that will still not explain why ppl are seeing 4-5+ resists on red spells before one goes off without being resisted.

These kinds of streaks shouldn't happen, ever. 4-5 resists in a fight is a bit much.......but back to back? People are defending this? Simply absurd.

I threw a lot of AoEs through the doors of Grallahorn and I cannot remember a single purple line standing out of the spam of orange damage messages. Of courses there probably were some, but it was no number that had stucked to my memory.

Eclipz wrote:That test looks like bullshit for anyone that plays actively on this server.

Anyone that has a caster that is out RvRing nightly will tell you that those test results are 100% bullshit. A red spell simply should NOT be resisted 4+ times in a row. That's ****** insanity. You can put every complex equasion in the world in the forums to make yourself seem like a genius but that will still not explain why ppl are seeing 4-5+ resists on red spells before one goes off without being resisted.

These kinds of streaks shouldn't happen, ever. 4-5 resists in a fight is a bit much.......but back to back? People are defending this? Simply absurd.

The tests were done on live... (Not Uthgard) streaks of resists do happen on live.

If you think I'm lying feel free to log on and run my code against your own chat log. It's all there.

Streaks like that DO happen on live. Fact.

If you think there are too many streaks on Uthgard... do a /chatlog during your RvR on Uthgard and I will analyse the results for you like I will for sendnudez when he provides them.

Until you bother to read / understand (doesn't take a genius by the way, its basic maths) try being a bit more polite and add to a constructive conservation rather than mouthing of and swearing all over the place and providing nothing?






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I'm sure we would have a lot more valid information if the server wasn't set up in such a way that makes it impossible to recreate your test for example. It was the same in the beta, where and when the data was really needed, where there were no tools to aid in the collection of valuable data.

We cannot duel log, we do not have sufficient dummies to test on, we do not have infinite power/endurance etc to run a plausible amount of test casts that won't take hours and hours. It all seems a little hidden to me. Like we were never meant to explore it or question it.

This is far from my field of expertise or even knowledge really, but Genjiro said that he simulated the test twice. What does that mean? He simulated it as in he didn't actually do it by using a simulator or he did physically do the test? The language is a little vague.

Just /chatlog I will do the rest for you.

Including... parsing results, sorting by spell type / level, checking enemy level via the Uthgard api.

I will then paste the results which you or somebody else can view / validate. Preferably a few RvR sessions worth of /chatlog if you want a somewhat good sample size.

There is no need for a duel log or dummy (these are pve anyway).


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By the way I don't debate there could be an issue. It's a development project, of course there can be a bugs. I don't have access to the Uthgard code but at this point I severely doubt there is a general issue in the RNG / spell resist check.

But most people make statements like "you will NEVER see resist streaks on live" which simply isn't the case. These are a lot more rare on live now due to mastery of focus etc. But they do still happen.


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Where there any streaks of 5 or more? Both are using the same desease spell. I get why and also the reasoning that it shouldn't matter, but still.

barto22 wrote:...but Genjiro said that he simulated the test twice. What does that mean? He simulated it as in he didn't actually do it by using a simulator or he did physically do the test? The language is a little vague.

It does not matter if it is simulated using the same code a player would execute running the test from his client.
Using a client does not change or influence the results. It is just a GUI for visualization.

Satiah wrote:Where there any streaks of 5 or more?

Worked out how to use auto hot key so have my shamans running again automatically. Will leave them running through the day / night and post the results back.

Satiah wrote:Both are using the same desease spell. I get why and also the reasoning that it shouldn't matter, but still.

Not sure what you mean by this?



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Genjiro wrote:

barto22 wrote:...but Genjiro said that he simulated the test twice. What does that mean? He simulated it as in he didn't actually do it by using a simulator or he did physically do the test? The language is a little vague.

It does not matter if it is simulated using the same code a player would execute running the test from his client.
Using a client does not change or influence the results. It is just a GUI for visualization.

OK got it. Like I said, I'm far from an expert, but surely a test must have as many consistencies as possible? I don't know how it works, but to avoid running into any other bugs then I would assume it would be better to just mirror the test rather than simulate it? Like, there must be more factors involved than just this 1 guy feeding in data from his char? What about on the receiving end or what about the difference in the RNG used? Does that not play a part too?

barto22 wrote:

Genjiro wrote:

barto22 wrote:...but Genjiro said that he simulated the test twice. What does that mean? He simulated it as in he didn't actually do it by using a simulator or he did physically do the test? The language is a little vague.

It does not matter if it is simulated using the same code a player would execute running the test from his client.
Using a client does not change or influence the results. It is just a GUI for visualization. 8)

OK got it. Like I said, I'm far from an expert, but surely a test must have as many consistencies as possible? I don't know how it works, but to avoid running into any other bugs then I would assume it would be better to just mirror the test rather than simulate it? Like, there must be more factors involved than just this 1 guy feeding in data from his char? What about on the receiving end or what about the difference in the RNG used? Does that not play a part too?

Are we talking RvR or PvE here?
RvR: no other factors.
PvE: other factors are relevant.

EDIT: FAKE NEWS

PvP / RvR of course, that's what he did in his test. So you're saying there can be no crossed wires between the caster and the receiver? Like, you get resisted because it's YOUR fault? Or you get resisted because HE resisted YOU?