Torgo wrote:Blue already replied in the issue tracker that they have the growth rate wrong and are looking at it. It will be fixed soon.


Posted by Blue at Thu, 18 May 2017 11:18:40 UTC

1670 damage in one swing (considering the critical) is too much. We don't have the proper growth rates for Tundra at hand so we have to guess. Will be tuned down a bit.

So your saying 1.8 growth rate is too high for a 10 min timered style that can be blocked, parried, missed, pbt and fumbled?

Lol, the devs aint changing anything on it, if anything the growth rate is probably too low.

Defenders rage is 1.25 growth rate spammable style.

Tundra is once every 10 mins.

The culprit is the berserker ability with 99 crits. You better deal with it instead of crusading for nerfs that will not be implemented.

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For example, 1083 is the actual cap damage using tundra with 1,8 growth.

1083-599 from style = 484 unstyled dmg cap.

484x1.6 = 774 damage with 99 crit its 774*1.99 = 1541 damage

Is the style an instant btw? Ie. it doesn't have a swingdelay?

Satiah wrote:Is the style an instant btw? Ie. it doesn't have a swingdelay?

Works like any style.

Instant if you are not hitting anything already. Swing timer of previous hit if you are already styling.

So you could have 1.5s delay if u have cele + using dual wield/LA and then switch to 2her and pop tundra.

A 1.8 gr rate style bufed its actually 2.XX gr rate style and that is too high , there was no 2.0 gr rate style on live even very high dmg, and btw i hardly believe zerkers play with 50 quic in rvr ..

MotaroReloaded wrote:A 1.8 gr rate style bufed its actually 2.XX gr rate style and that is too high , there was no 2.0 gr rate style on live even very high dmg, and btw i hardly believe zerkers play with 50 quic in rvr ..

Growth rates don't change with buffs...

My head just exploded.

MotaroReloaded wrote:A 1.8 gr rate style bufed its actually 2.XX gr rate style and that is too high , there was no 2.0 gr rate style on live even very high dmg, and btw i hardly believe zerkers play with 50 quic in rvr ..

This is all false.

The tundra gr on utgh is 1.8, period.

Armsman crippling blow is supposed to be 0,45 but it is 0,27 on here.

Bers have 28+28 qu on 1hers = 56 qu
That means many have +19 qu with 2her add gellow dq buff to that. Include dq debuffs, theug asd etc.

oLd-Sneakers wrote:Armsman crippling blow is supposed to be 0,45 but it is 0,27 on here.

This is false too. GR of Crippling Blow is correct as it should be. It is not 0,27.

Genjiro wrote:

oLd-Sneakers wrote:Armsman crippling blow is supposed to be 0,45 but it is 0,27 on here.

This is false too. GR of Crippling Blow is correct as it should be. It is not 0,27.

You are correct.





Actually shows 0.26002 growth rate on crippling blow.


+159 from style
511(-100) = 611 total dmg

159/611 = 0.26022 as the styles growth rate.


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https://youtu.be/Ue1jcWrypa8?t=29

ToA but in OF live, so puts it between 1,67 and 1,68.

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The target has 16% crush resistance as well.

Grunklestank wrote:

MotaroReloaded wrote:A 1.8 gr rate style bufed its actually 2.XX gr rate style and that is too high , there was no 2.0 gr rate style on live even very high dmg, and btw i hardly believe zerkers play with 50 quic in rvr ..

Growth rates don't change with buffs...

My head just exploded.

really ?? why dont u grab hands with this old sneakers who has absolutelly no idea about this game .. and scram , quickness and haste are the 2 factors who lower the styled multiplier which is derived from growth rate , the more quickness and haste ..the less styled dmg you do , your head exploded cause you re too stupid m8.

oLd-Sneakers wrote:

Genjiro wrote:

oLd-Sneakers wrote:Armsman crippling blow is supposed to be 0,45 but it is 0,27 on here.

This is false too. GR of Crippling Blow is correct as it should be. It is not 0,27.

You are correct.





Actually shows 0.26002 growth rate on crippling blow.


+159 from style
511(-100) = 611 total dmg

159/611 = 0.26022 as multiplier.


/edit


https://youtu.be/Ue1jcWrypa8?t=29

ToA but in OF live, so puts it between 1,67 and 1,68.

/edit2

The target has 16% crush resistance as well.

You re so dumb you cant even calculate a style multiplier man ..not talking about gr rate lol ) ..611 total dmg ( including 159 styled) and u calculate it from the whole dmg where you already have it in ????? what the ****** )))))) hilarious

Haha.

Well for your information mr.whiner armsman


You calculate growth rate with total damage, that is BEFORE resistance.

@ Devs is this the guy you have consulting you now on class issues


Another point is that nothing changes the styles growth rate, not QU, not haste, not asd or debuffs. Period.

QU, haste, asd and debuffs alter the styles multiplier as the different stats change your swing speed which effects your style damage via the style multiplier, but it does not change the growth rate - these are un-linked from each other and have no relationship.

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Have to mention that I mentioned style multiplier when I was talking of growth rate solely.

Calculating the style multiplier is trickier and not relevant either. [ ((Weapon spec x Growth rate x effective weapon speed)/(DPS x SPD x 3 x (1+((SPD-2)x0.3))) ]

oLd-Sneakers wrote:@ Devs is this the guy you have consulting you now on class issues :lol: :lol:

Please do not confuse "consulting" with "posting on the forums/issue tracker".

holy moly this guy still thinks a tank should do similar dmg as a light tank? its been like a month... just peel 4 ur caster assist train and enjoy the rps

Flump wrote:

Obviously 300 2hand damage max +0.6*300=300+180=480 +100% crit = 960 dmg max

Genjiro wrote:

oLd-Sneakers wrote:@ Devs is this the guy you have consulting you now on class issues

Please do not confuse "consulting" with "posting on the forums/issue tracker".

It was more of a joke.

With that said he does have some true legit points even though he dips it in asinine hyperbole.

My own math was also flawed I realized. You cannot calculate growth rate on styles unless its a capped damage hit the way I did.

Growth rate of style and style multiplier is a different thing as well, but I think I mentioned that already. Many people mix those two up.

oLd-Sneakers wrote:Haha.

Well for your information mr.whiner armsman


You calculate growth rate with total damage, that is BEFORE resistance.

@ Devs is this the guy you have consulting you now on class issues


Another point is that nothing changes the styles growth rate, not QU, not haste, not asd or debuffs. Period.

QU, haste, asd and debuffs alter the styles multiplier as the different stats change your swing speed which effects your style damage via the style multiplier, but it does not change the growth rate - these are un-linked from each other and have no relationship.

/edit

Have to mention that I mentioned style multiplier when I was talking of growth rate solely.

Calculating the style multiplier is trickier and not relevant either. [ ((Weapon spec x Growth rate x effective weapon speed)/(DPS x SPD x 3 x (1+((SPD-2)x0.3))) ]

You tell me what i know since 2004 . And yes.. you re stupid.