For instance i talked to a 46 bard yesterday who said they earned 30K RPS in that single night... Thats just absurd. I don't remember the last time thats happened on my 50. Come on Uthgard!!!

So whats your suggestion?
Close the BGs and enter the bigboy rvr with 1L3 and get farmed by the usual suspects?
Playertask to pull some folks in fz?
1k rp for each keep and bring on the warmap?
50er bg?

I miss some constructivity

These people are so full of crap imo. Spent a lot of time in 50 rvr and in Cale lately myself.

We just had 4fg+ of albs 4fg+ of mids and I don't know how many groups of hibs in 50 rvr fighting over relics multiple times within the last week. Going back further I know Splitquick has organized another bg or two within the last month where we (albs) took literally all of Midgard's keeps with a sizeable group. The following day(s) the Mids took them all back and punished us with numbers greater than 60 at our Relic keep. We got about 3fg, maybe slightly more and tried to defend but were unable. Also, after spending all of level 45 and 0l0 to 2L9 in Cale I have seen maybe 2 or 3 bonedancers the ENTIRE time. Of those 3 bonedancers not a single one was very good mind you, in my opinion ofc.

I do notice that I get more realm points quickly in Cale than in Rvr but that is due to my choice not to partake in 8man rvr. I prefer zerg or solo/smallman. Zergs have more people (obviously) so there is less rp/player gained. Solo/smallman is more risk-reward and if there aren't any others out solo/smallman there is nothing you can do. If you want to get fast realm points at 50 you need to 8man and be good. If you aren't good and/or don't want to 8man then either get good and 8man or don't complain that realm points aren't flowing in.

Side note: I applaud all the recent changes being made by the Devs! Keep up the good work!

Dogmans87 wrote:We just had 4fg+ of albs 4fg+ of mids and I don't know how many groups of hibs in 50 rvr fighting over relics multiple times within the last week. Going back further I know Splitquick has organized another bg or two within the last month where we (albs) took literally all of Midgard's keeps with a sizeable group. The following day(s) the Mids took them all back and punished us with numbers greater than 60 at our Relic keep. We got about 3fg, maybe slightly more and tried to defend but were unable. Also, after spending all of level 45 and 0l0 to 2L9 in Cale I have seen maybe 2 or 3 bonedancers the ENTIRE time. Of those 3 bonedancers not a single one was very good mind you, in my opinion ofc.

using albs failed relic raid attempt as an example for the current rvr population when in reality there is exactly 1 alb group every few days for some hours. looks like you are full of crap.

reality is there is 4 groups mids and about 3 or sometimes 4 groups of hibs OVERALL during euro times. that doesn't mean that all groups play simultaneously. the only alb group playing is ouatever and they're not even playing on a daily basis.

the only time there's "zerg action" is when reallydirty and flump decide to 16 slot and kill all action for whatever reason.

don't talk ****** if you don't even do 8v8. there's no zergs, there only is 8v8 left on this server and it's between a handful of groups.

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Lovely work with the numbers and data there Abydos. Now, if only you could have noticed them more when the population was declining at an alarming rate.

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as far as i (european time zone ) heard, the hibs tried to go for mid str relics last night ( american time zone ). By beeing told there was literally no one defending at all.

So the American population seems to be crap, i often hear my realm mates complain about the numbers that run in the big rvr- like that they cant find a pac healer, skald or shaman. It kinda has to be crap, when hibs did not manage it to open the gates, or when mids did not manage it to defend.

YEET wrote:reality is there is 4 groups mids and about 3 or sometimes 4 groups of hibs OVERALL during euro times. that doesn't mean that all groups play simultaneously. the only alb group playing is ouatever and they're not even playing on a daily basis.

the only time there's "zerg action" is when reallydirty and flump decide to 16 slot and kill all action for whatever reason.

don't talk ****** if you don't even do 8v8. there's no zergs, there only is 8v8 left on this server and it's between a handful of groups.

Okay, really interessting post imo.
Seems you just reflect the last 1 or 2 EU Primetime evenings(and therefor just a rly short timewindow) and not the last 2 weeks.

Zergs get started by EVERY Realm. To blame just one realm or in this case 1-2 grps to do so is pure BS.

My Example: Wednesday Evening. this are /who numbers during EU Primetime.
50 Mids Emain, 20 Mids Breif, 16 Mids Odins (mhm yeah, close to 4 FG overall it seems )
And there was a counterzerg of Hibs and Albs in Emain as well. (4-5 fg hibs, 3-4 fg albs)

Yes, you are right, the numbers overall are dropping. And yes, there are diffrent reasons for that. But there are diffrent Playercounts every single evening, sometimes more, sometimes less. Sometimes Zergy, sometimes pure 8v8.

Why do I have to 8v8 to even speak on the matter?

when in reality there is exactly 1 alb group every few days for some hours

I'm not an EU player and thus don't know the state of Albion during those times. Perhaps there is in fact a realm inbalance. I don't know.

Perhaps your schedule just isn't lining up? I wouldn't expect 24/7 action on a server with a population of this size, especially with the state of the current (much lower) population. Also, I never said that this specific failed relic raid was an overall indicator of the status of rvr. I was simply giving one example within the last week where there was a large volume of players in the OF. There have been many more instances where similar quantities of players are out RvRing sporadically since I can remember. Sometimes I choose to participate other times I choose to work on crafting or farming for a template. By they way, there were also 8mans roaming during this 'failed relic' raid attempt (at least there was on Alb).

the only alb group playing is ouatever and they're not even playing on a daily basis.

I've never even heard of or seen this guild. Once again, NA player. We have Tri Jade, Squeel like a torcan, Deal with it, and others I can't think of at the moment who I see regularly running 8mans. Every single time I'm online I see at least one 8man group posting in the lfg channel or already out running with a guild group. I would say 80% or more of the time there is a bg open to the public for zerg action as well. Either Splitquick or Thalandrior almost always have a bg going and if they don't there are other players who occasionally lead them as well.

Additionally, there was a dragon raid that was interrupted within the last few weeks as well where we (alb) decided to partake in a "failed relic defense" against 60+ mids. Hey, you know what though. We tried and had fun with it, even though we failed horribly.

the only time there's "zerg action" is when reallydirty and flump decide to 16 slot and kill all action for whatever reason.

don't talk ****** if you don't even do 8v8. there's no zergs, there only is 8v8 left on this server and it's between a handful of groups.

There is no doubt that Flump and Reallydirty are good players.

There is quite often more action than this during NA primetime and oftentimes all the way through very late in the evening for NA. From what I gather from your entire post is toxicity toward any action other than 8man as well as frustration toward the state of Albions current level of Rvr ability. Every player can choose to play whatever style they want. Just because some players don't want to play in an 8man doesn't necessarily make them a worse player. It also doesn't mean they are too stupid to have an opinion on 8man. Which isn't even the main point here. Side note: We've wiped Flumps group plenty on Alb, I've been there.


p.s. I don't 8man anymore because I don't want to deal with tightly wound elitist jerks that are far more common to strict 8man guilds/groups.

p.p.s. I also don't think I was "Talking ****" (especially about 8man) but calling someone else out on trying to say something is a fact when it clearly isn't. BG's are KILLING RvR is simply not true and people are trying to claim that there is a real cause and effect relationship here where there isn't evidence supporting that claim. (See Abydos posts)

as far as i (european time zone ) heard, the hibs tried to go for mid str relics last night ( american time zone ). By beeing told there was literally no one defending at all.

So the American population seems to be crap, i often hear my realm mates complain about the numbers that run in the big rvr- like that they cant find a pac healer, skald or shaman. It kinda has to be crap, when hibs did not manage it to open the gates, or when mids did not manage it to defend.

The Hibs went for, and did in fact, successfully take the Mid power relic the last night. (American time zone). There weren't any Mids defending it because we, the American Alb players had 4-5fgs attacking their relic as well where there was about that many Mid players inside the keep defending it. We successfully got into the CY and began to siege the inner cy door down. This is where Midgard overpowered us and defeated us. Thus, leading up the "failed relic attempt" that YEET brought up and I covered. From what I personally (my opinion) have noticed during the primary NA times is that there are very commonly more Hib and Alb players then there are Mid players.

Dogmans87 wrote:...

Last night, the Mids didn't have enough players on line to defend against both the ALB and HIB relic raids, so we focused on the 3 STR relics and defeated the Albs. The decision to give up 1 power relic to defend 3 strength relics seems to be the right one.

This decision had nothing to do with preferring to fight one enemy over the other, it was 100% based on arithmetic... 3 is better than 1.

I never said there was a preference to fighting one over the other nor am I crying that we lost. I agree 100% agree with you that it makes sense for Mid to try and retain their Str relic and it also makes sense that Hib would want the Power relic. I don't and wouldn't expect Mid to have enough players to defend against that many players from both realms at once.

If it came across that I was complaining/whining about Mid beating Alb that is absolutely not what I was trying to do. I had quite a lot of fun personally and thought both sides had their moments. Highlight for me was when I hit that huge aoe mezz right before you guys wiped us in the CY on at least 8 of you guys. You guys definitely stomped us in the end though.

So mid had the choice to balance rvr a bit by letting alb taking a relic back but no they decided to let hib take the power relic, i have to admit it's pretty smart.

When i say it's not entirely devs fault if pop is decreasing i hope now you get my point

Tulkar wrote:as far as i (european time zone ) heard, the hibs tried to go for mid str relics last night ( american time zone ). By beeing told there was literally no one defending at all.

So the American population seems to be crap,

While the population is less than during EU primetime, there was more than 40% of the total online population in RVR last night. I've never seen the EU Primetime percentage that high except during GM events.

Abydos wrote:

Tulkar wrote:as far as i (european time zone ) heard, the hibs tried to go for mid str relics last night ( american time zone ). By beeing told there was literally no one defending at all.

So the American population seems to be crap,

While the population is less than during EU primetime, there was more than 40% of the total online population in RVR last night. I've never seen the EU Primetime percentage that high except during GM events.

How can you speak about numbers and data but not realise that 40% of a lower amount of players is still a low amount of players

You are worrying more often than not.

40% of 515 or 20% of 1100.

This problem is more complex than you think. But instead of "OMG THERES NO ACTION" or "BGS ARE KILLING RVR" you might consider to ask, "Why is it that we retain european players at a higher rate than NA counterparts?"

Chugg wrote:

YEET wrote:reality is there is 4 groups mids and about 3 or sometimes 4 groups of hibs OVERALL during euro times. that doesn't mean that all groups play simultaneously. the only alb group playing is ouatever and they're not even playing on a daily basis.

the only time there's "zerg action" is when reallydirty and flump decide to 16 slot and kill all action for whatever reason.

don't talk ****** if you don't even do 8v8. there's no zergs, there only is 8v8 left on this server and it's between a handful of groups.

Okay, really interessting post imo.
Seems you just reflect the last 1 or 2 EU Primetime evenings(and therefor just a rly short timewindow) and not the last 2 weeks.

Zergs get started by EVERY Realm. To blame just one realm or in this case 1-2 grps to do so is pure BS.

My Example: Wednesday Evening. this are /who numbers during EU Primetime.
50 Mids Emain, 20 Mids Breif, 16 Mids Odins (mhm yeah, close to 4 FG overall it seems )
And there was a counterzerg of Hibs and Albs in Emain as well. (4-5 fg hibs, 3-4 fg albs)

Yes, you are right, the numbers overall are dropping. And yes, there are diffrent reasons for that. But there are diffrent Playercounts every single evening, sometimes more, sometimes less. Sometimes Zergy, sometimes pure 8v8.

its been like that for almost two weeks now, not only the last two days. yes, on wednesday was said relic raid attempt iirc, just like the other person mentioned.

but what is the point in acting like theres oh so much action when in reality its once a week a best? i doubt your average daoc player is satisfied with being able to zerg it up once a week because albs managed to gather 4 groups and tried a relic. this is nowhere near consistent.

picking the night of the relic raid attempt as the prime example for big boy rvr population does nothing but sugarcoating the fact that overall rvr action in emain etc is down to the same 4 hib groups fighting the same 4 mid groups. dont pin me down on the number whether its 3, 4 or 5 groups.

an occasional pug or a small zerg left and right contribute almost nothing to the overall, longterm rvr population. introducing BGs does nothing but pull people from 50 rvr into the BGs because of the scaled down map where you get instant action.

i dont know about US time, maybe its the holy grail of RVR... looking at the threads in the RVR forum indicates its not though...

Interesting question. Domino effect? There was a quick drop in na players one week which caused more and more players to quit?

Eu are masochists and like the xp grind more than na players?

Different approach too inclusiveness?

Realm leadership?

Too many possibilities i think. What i do know is that often times perception is greater than reality. If people think rvr is dead, they may log....whether its true or not

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