An Alb poem goes like this:

If you have a buddy, tried and true...
Screw yer buddy before he screws you.

signed: A Dirty Alb

But actually, that just the way it goes in tri realm DAoC. Yesterdays allies are todays enemies.

BalianIbelin wrote:
Well the admission of collusion is at least refreshing, since it was obvious tonight. The timing of keep spam on Cruachon from 2g of Mids simultaneous with spam on another keep and Dagda which of course turned out to be Albs makes that clear. That's the great thing about DAOC, the 3 realm war. You'll get teamed up on. Someone from Mid came crying about it some weeks back when it wasn't true. Now tonight against Hibs, when it is, in the words of Filter I say "hey man, nice shot."

I will fill you in. There is no collusion, what's you're experiencing is delusion. Yes mids took DC while we were on the RK. I actually said yay thanks mids in the bg, as a joke (because it would remove the 2 relic guards stationed there). We were already almost through the 2nd door when they captured DC. Then about 5 people made jokes saying hibs would post on the forums yelling collusion. And here we are.

Just a few hours before, correct me if I'm wrong, Mids owned 2 of our keeps and Hib owned 3. Omg the collusion. I actually thought for awhile hibs/mids or both had heard about our plans, which have been in place for over a week, and chose to hit us early to discourage our raid.

So look, yes mids took DC while we were on RK. You guys were twiddling thumbs in Beno, so I decided to continue our plans. Mids also opened DF with the DC take. Maybe they were on a DF opening run? Who knows. Who CARES. It was a coincidence, nothing more, which had no impact on our plans and current state on the RK, we already had the first door down. Not to mention, door #2 was 75% and the 3rd door was at 20%.

I pride myself on honesty, and not only would I never care or want to get in contact with someone from Mid or Hib to collude, please remember this one simple fact: I don't need their help.

We're all in this together, I'm going to play the same way I expect Mid and Hib to play, fair.

I'm just glad and proud Alb pulled on the chain of the tug of war that DAOC is. Don't rain on our parade by implying we didn't earn it. We did.

Grats to Alb on the relics, and grats to Uthgard for still kicking and being alive with relic changing hands on almost every weekend.

Split are you trying to win me back, by securing power-relics now? (title yet?)

I for one can attest to Splits honest and fair playstyle when i played with him for months, ive been with his warband when it was hibs and mids "fighting" and when albs added in, we saw both sides spread out and hit us at the same time(for then later to brag on how easily we fell for that fake fight only to get farmed) we were the underdogs back then and even felt teamed up apon, yet still released and went back out. that is just the mentality when he leads.

Every move you see him do, on every keep, every night. Is based of how the chessboard looks and his reasoning for why one keep is a more suitable target than the next. And Im glad to see keeps are not the only thing on the menu any more, first preplaned relic attack by albs in a while if I am not mistaken, and sounds like it was not picked up on by enemy realm by crossrealmers or spies. Thats really encouraging!!

Also he actually has the tools, available to dominate the server. or atleast had back when I was an alb. Get all those earthwizards to coordinate and build up the RRs. and lets see the VP spam and have the germans defend in EU hours, and I can see an other alamcloak raid being needed to disbarm alb relics.

Grats again SplitQuack WiththeTitle, mother of ducks, runner of stones, liberator of relics, protector of the realm - of House WP4K

BalianIbelin wrote:

SanglanteYs wrote:Some alb wasn't aggree with Split order so try to intercept it

Well the admission of collusion is at least refreshing, since it was obvious tonight. The timing of keep spam on Cruachon from 2g of Mids simultaneous with spam on another keep and Dagda which of course turned out to be Albs makes that clear. That's the great thing about DAOC, the 3 realm war. You'll get teamed up on. Someone from Mid came crying about it some weeks back when it wasn't true. Now tonight against Hibs, when it is, in the words of Filter I say "hey man, nice shot."

- Lunacy - RR4 Mentalist

you, Sir, are crazy, thus the name?

2 groups of us have NO business in frontier where chance to run into 40+ hibs or albs is almost guaranteed. Again, hibs should have taken a hint and switched as well. 100% blame yourself in this case for loosing relics.

But...this is DAoC right? so now, stop whining, go get them back.

vadox wrote:

BalianIbelin wrote:

SanglanteYs wrote:Some alb wasn't aggree with Split order so try to intercept it

Well the admission of collusion is at least refreshing, since it was obvious tonight. The timing of keep spam on Cruachon from 2g of Mids simultaneous with spam on another keep and Dagda which of course turned out to be Albs makes that clear. That's the great thing about DAOC, the 3 realm war. You'll get teamed up on. Someone from Mid came crying about it some weeks back when it wasn't true. Now tonight against Hibs, when it is, in the words of Filter I say "hey man, nice shot."

- Lunacy - RR4 Mentalist

you, Sir, are crazy, thus the name?

2 groups of us have NO business in frontier where chance to run into 40+ hibs or albs is almost guaranteed. Again, hibs should have taken a hint and switched as well. 100% blame yourself in this case for loosing relics.

But...this is DAoC right? so now, stop whining, go get them back.

You got donated a relic because you are so pathetic and splitquick wanted it to be near impossible for us to ever take 3 power relics again and compete versus albion. Don't pretend like you did anything in this you silly healer, take your donation and tuck your tail between your legs lol.

Celeny wrote:
You got donated a relic because you are so pathetic and splitquick wanted it to be near impossible for us to ever take 3 power relics again and compete versus albion. Don't pretend like you did anything in this you silly healer, take your donation and tuck your tail between your legs lol.

Hey Celeny i know it's frustrating loosing relics but please stop whining like a child.
It's DAoC, we have 3 realm so action may sometimes appear 2vs1. Also you have enough power to take your relic back because :
- Mid isn't really interested in power
- alb can't properly defend relic due to lack of key class

djegu wrote:

Celeny wrote:
You got donated a relic because you are so pathetic and splitquick wanted it to be near impossible for us to ever take 3 power relics again and compete versus albion. Don't pretend like you did anything in this you silly healer, take your donation and tuck your tail between your legs lol.

Hey Celeny i know it's frustrating loosing relics but please stop whining like a child.
It's DAoC, we have 3 realm so action may sometimes appear 2vs1. Also you have enough power to take your relic back because :
- Mid isn't really interested in power
- alb can't properly defend relic due to lack of key class

You do know the name of the thread right? Just because I dislike hypocrites doesn't mean I'm whining.

I made a new post last night congratulating Albs on their relics with a tactic we never expected and talking about how much fun that tri-realm fight at Surs was, but a GM deleted it since the relics weren't placed yet. So here is my congrats this morning.

Congrats.

The timing of the keep spams starting simultaneously in 3 places seemed awfully organized, but I accept that correlation does not imply causation. I jumped to that conclusion with the help of a couple glasses of wine; seemed awfully suspicious, but perhaps I am wrong.

You guys did a good job on the relics, and we had fun last night, especially at the keep defense at Surs in the Lord room. Congrats. I will enjoy having a little break from feeling compelled to necessarily come defend relics but we'll eventually get them back.

- Lunacy

vadox wrote:

BalianIbelin wrote:

SanglanteYs wrote:Some alb wasn't aggree with Split order so try to intercept it

Well the admission of collusion is at least refreshing, since it was obvious tonight. The timing of keep spam on Cruachon from 2g of Mids simultaneous with spam on another keep and Dagda which of course turned out to be Albs makes that clear. That's the great thing about DAOC, the 3 realm war. You'll get teamed up on. Someone from Mid came crying about it some weeks back when it wasn't true. Now tonight against Hibs, when it is, in the words of Filter I say "hey man, nice shot."

- Lunacy - RR4 Mentalist

you, Sir, are crazy, thus the name?

2 groups of us have NO business in frontier where chance to run into 40+ hibs or albs is almost guaranteed. Again, hibs should have taken a hint and switched as well. 100% blame yourself in this case for loosing relics.

But...this is DAoC right? so now, stop whining, go get them back.

Vadox,

Our relic doors weren't even over 50% on some of the doors. We were lazy, broke and didn't really care anymore the way one needs to in order to hold relics. So yes, it was 100% our fault for losing the relics. It was a brilliant raid... I loved how they executed it. I've seen it before. :p But, that being said, the whole Mid getting the power relic thing is lame. But we'll be just fine without the relics for awhile. You guys know how that is. You've been without them for awhile and yet Mid does just fine in RvR.

For those who don't know, here's little incentive to keep those fires of war burning. Upgrade those keeps to level 10

1. Characters who are defending their home frontier against invaders with a corpse summoner in their realm will now receive a 15% RP bonus for each enemy relic they currently control (Up to a 60% total bonus) to recognize the added difficulty of defense in this situation and as an additional relic reward.

There was no collusion on the part of Albs and Mids in Emain last night. NONE WHATSOEVER. Arsenal and company decided to get out of Alb lands because we were getting zerged over and over and take a keep in Hib land. I actually suggested WE, the mids, take the keep closest to the Hib relics last night to make the Hibs panic and come back to Hib land. We do this all the time. Vadox, the Arsenal GM, decided to take DC. We had NO IDEA that the Albs were on the relic when we engaged DC and decided to take it. We were EXPECTING Hibs to come attack us at DC because we had reports from our stealthers that the Hibs had left Alb land and were probably coming to Hib land, since we were on DC and they probably wanted to defend it. They knew the DC doors were very high and had time to get out here.

Then after we had taken it and were running down further into Hib frontiers, we saw that the Albs had taken both relics. We said to ourselves "Holy ******, we actually unknowingly helped the Albs take the relics." Then we decided to find the Albs coming back up into Emain and surely enough we found them with our (only) 2 FGs. We had no way to really do anything to the Albs with the relics, since they had at least double our numbers. We were actually wondering if the Hibs would attack the Albs and then we might have a chance for some scraps in the chaos of the Alb vs Hib fight, but that never happened.

We saw the relics changed back into Emain and chased the Albs all the way back to the Alb PK in Emain, but we were too late and we saw the Alb PK doors close. So then we decided to move back to the Mid PK, because it was late and some of our guys had to log.

Then as we approached the Mid PK, we were wondering why the other relic was still in Emain. We had no idea why, but as we ran up to the Mid PK, we saw a dead group of Albs and were wondering what the hell they were doing there for and not releasing. Then a couple of us exclaimed on the comms, "That's our relic!! They dropped it for us!!" So we scooped it up and took it to Grall and closed up the doors.

There was NO collusion. Just very good fortunate decisions and timing for the Albs on the side of us, the Mids.

It's neat how it worked out so nicely!

This relic raid was a cooperation from us and eu albs. Splitquick contacted me one week ago telling me about the relic raid. It was 6 o clock in the morning for german albs, but i activated our alliance and there were 3 groups from eu albs. I didnt expect so many get up such early.

When i logged in, we only had 3 albion keeps, splitquick told me 40 hibs are in alb frontier and we first thougt they know about the relic raid. We supported the us albs in beno, we opened both doors but we wiped at lord. At that point we just portet to hibernia and gave it a try. If the beno hibs would have gone to relic keep at once, we would had no chance. But they keep sitting in beno and waiting for the albs to return. We were about 60 albs and the relic guards were no problem. We already hit the second door when mids raided dc. As i remember second door was 78%, third door was 28%.

I am sure we cant hold 5 relic for long time, but we will do our best. It was no opinion to keep 6 relics, without guards we would loose all relics soon. Excellent planning from Splitquick, thanks a lot. And thanks to all albs for staying up so long or getting up that early.

Am I the only one really enjoying reading all sides of what whent down? Thanks for chipping in people