SlaterAC wrote:Its the same problem as always. hit /bg groups see 11 groups but its 1-2 groups of people trying to help lowbies and 8 groups of 2-3 people PLing their buds. Its a total waste of time for most people. Its not really helping PL the lowbies, its helping PL the people who already have the ability to do so. All the lemmings just make it easier for them, then suicide out making no exp in 2 hours.

You kinda have a point. The problem is that there are only a few lvl50 animists willing to give up their time ( can be hours) to pl. Like I said some posts before, I wouldn't mind a pl myself by now. It's bin over a year and I think I only got an pl once (thx Mura) at Bog City. My ranger got to lvl14... So yeah I 've seen the otherside of this story aswell.

Currently I only log my animist on if guildies or some friends could use a pl and then fill the rest of the slots up. You can't really blaim people just inviting their buds, the xp is shared. The more you invite, the less xp everyone gets. Add the 50% exp nerf and it's easy to see why people would do that.

They also nerfed the spawn some 8 month's ago, because the place "needed help" and told us that if we wanted to prove the spawn was any different on live, we should go and check the spawn rate.

People don't seem to understand that animists get basically nothing out of spending their time PL'ing, so it's incredibly hard to find animists to come down. 99% of the animists show up to level their friends, I simply ask them to fill out the group.

The problem is, since I can't get an admin to respond to the many appeals I've sent, I cannot set rules for the BG and enforce them. If people show up in a duo/trio and refuse to invite anybody else or use my BG to sell group slots, I can't do anything about it. I've tried reporting many times and they have gone unanswered. All I can do at this point is tell the BG to refuse to pom/rez the people who refuse to contribute to the zerg.

As more of the animists we're leveling hit 50, hopefully they'll keep coming back on their 50 animists to help others level. But occasionally, it'd be nice for our animists to be able to get xp on their alts too.

I try to keep my group maxed out as much as possible with players. but is constantly tell hell for good and bad. and after a while into it in automatic mode, listening to audio books. And spamming same buttons over and over for 6 hours or more. Often surprised at some of the ****** tells I get, I always ignore. That somehow I am ruining someone else's experience, by not inviting them. but I try to grab a couple essential classes first then toss in everyone else no matter the class. edit: or guild and or level unless they are a base class.

/shrug

Dranith wrote:People don't seem to understand that animists get basically nothing out of spending their time PL'ing, so it's incredibly hard to find animists to come down. 99% of the animists show up to level their friends, I simply ask them to fill out the group.

The problem is, since I can't get an admin to respond to the many appeals I've sent, I cannot set rules for the BG and enforce them. If people show up in a duo/trio and refuse to invite anybody else or use my BG to sell group slots, I can't do anything about it. I've tried reporting many times and they have gone unanswered. All I can do at this point is tell the BG to refuse to pom/rez the people who refuse to contribute to the zerg.

As more of the animists we're leveling hit 50, hopefully they'll keep coming back on their 50 animists to help others level. But occasionally, it'd be nice for our animists to be able to get xp on their alts too.

I understand, but at some point you either dont invite them into the BG and make it private invite only. Then they are 100% leeching xp and is against the rules. Or you stop running them. Why continue to half arsed try and level lowbies while the same 10 people get more out of it? Its the same story in all realms really....SH raids on mid one group had 3-4 SM/RM while groups got no xp...Hib /bg groups 3-45 animists 1-41 and 1-50....Wonder what group is going to be maxxing out while other groups struggle to get anything near 35 on an animist.

Any animst above 43 is better of solo. Inviting 1 player drops your xp to 10% of what it was. Anything below can hardly xp without a lvl50. So having those lower lvl animists doesnt help with xp at all. What helps is having an nuker/aoe'r in your group, but then you need healers that are active too. Most people I invite just go afk the moment they join.

Satiah wrote:Any animst above 43 is better of solo. Inviting 1 player drops your xp to 10% of what it was. Anything below can hardly xp without a lvl50. So having those lower lvl animists doesnt help with xp at all. What helps is having an nuker/aoe'r in your group, but then you need healers that are active too. Most people I invite just go afk the moment they join.

That is my whole point...The zerg isnt to get anyone level 50. Xp is horrible after 40 and even death slow 45+. The point is to jet people 5-30s so they get out into the world of making groups in 30s and 40s. But idiots ruin it by thinking this is the spot to boggart all the high level animists.

SlaterAC wrote:Xp is horrible after 40 and even death slow 45+.

Welcome to Uthgard.

SlaterAC wrote:

Satiah wrote:Any animst above 43 is better of solo. Inviting 1 player drops your xp to 10% of what it was. Anything below can hardly xp without a lvl50. So having those lower lvl animists doesnt help with xp at all. What helps is having an nuker/aoe'r in your group, but then you need healers that are active too. Most people I invite just go afk the moment they join.

That is my whole point...The zerg isnt to get anyone level 50. Xp is horrible after 40 .

Um so your message is ...

If you below level 43 ani dont come as you make no difference to the xp gained by the grp.
If you above 43 don't come cos you gain nothing out of it.

Nice message.

I help my guild mates... they help me.

The few times I have been at a bog zerg I am annoyed at peeps who beg for grp's and go afk.

If high level it is nice to help your realm. If not high level then do not afk - do your best.

Belisar wrote:

SlaterAC wrote:

Satiah wrote:Any animst above 43 is better of solo. Inviting 1 player drops your xp to 10% of what it was. Anything below can hardly xp without a lvl50. So having those lower lvl animists doesnt help with xp at all. What helps is having an nuker/aoe'r in your group, but then you need healers that are active too. Most people I invite just go afk the moment they join.

That is my whole point...The zerg isnt to get anyone level 50. Xp is horrible after 40 .

Um so your message is ...

If you below level 43 ani dont come as you make no difference to the xp gained by the grp.
If you above 43 don't come cos you gain nothing out of it.

Nice message.

I help my guild mates... they help me.

The few times I have been at a bog zerg I am annoyed at peeps who beg for grp's and go afk.

If high level it is nice to help your realm. If not high level then do not afk - do your best.

Thats not what I said at all. Read my posts and try again. Stop being an idiot troll because you read 2 words out of 100 and hi reply.

SlaterAC wrote:

Thats not what I said at all. Read my posts and try again. Stop being an idiot troll because you read 2 words out of 100 and hi reply.

I cannot speak for how your post(s) were intended - only how it reads to me.

If you are suggesting high levels are needed and should be there to be nice and helpful then we agree. I have seen people use it to level to 50 although it is not how I would choose to do it.

On a side note - Interesting your rather rude response refers to me as an idiot troll. Feel free to read any of my posts on any subject and see if that description is accurate.

SlaterAC contact me ingame.

Its fine, I am only stating what everyone know seems and deals with. I have leveled a couple different ways in the bog zerg in the past. People just want to afk and get PL'ed when all they have to do is tag a mob once until easy lvl 40 and they are basically capping XP. I ran around staffing melee or DD any chance i got. Then I made an animist to help out, sadly its not fun with the constant hate messages or complaints.

Yes alot of good people put in alot of good work helping the realm out. But Over time it gets tiresome when level 6's want to ****** about you not inviting them..XXX complaining their group isnt getting xp and its your fault. Or that the low animist want to cap shrooms and prevent the 50s from dropping them. I still go out there often enough to help out. But the urge dwindles each time.

Welcome to my life

~Mura

Well thats why I always said "go there and do whatever you want".
Its a zerg and if you do it the right away it will pay off. If you do it the wrong way however you might as well punch green mobs solo. Just dont be a crybaby and put the blame on someone else.

Best way to counter the lowbie people using low level pets is to dump mcl2 and rp. It will drop anything with insta cast pets.

Of course the Serb ran while I was at work most of the time so I only did it on the weekends.