Llaw known Zergist.

If it wasn’t so daunting an aspect, people might be encouraged to inject a realm, like Albion, with the kind of Daoc players that it apparently lacks.

isocleas2 wrote:You seem to be quite angry/hostile towards alot of 8v8 folks while calling yourself one. Your guild has done 50k the last two weeks and your highest RR toon is your rr 2L2 healer? I can see why you say RPs are meaningless when you never actually get any.

Am I hostile? Sure. Primarely because people talk ****** like they are somebody, when frankly, the server has, at best, Bedlam level competition. Back when 8v8 was popping, people were different. Groups would fight multiple groups and win, people wouln't cry about "assjams" or "vultures" or "swooping". People would switch toons to make fights interesting or try to improve their odds, instead of just dodging groups entirely.

When the game started to die off, and action was stagnant, 8v8'ers made a point not to dump on low and emerging groups, in hope that they would stick it out. Naturally, you would have people like Flump who will blow their load regardless, but most groups had the same goal in common: Good and consistant fights across the map.

Here, I see people talk big. While dodging the top tier groups, chasing soloers through several zones etc. It really pushes my buttons, man.

Sorry!

Now I ain't never played on Bedlam

but here is one thing I can say regarding Uth 2.

The level of skill and competition has gone up since the beginning of this server. The meta has been ever changing even on this server with patch 1.65 being 15 years old or whatever.

I think thats because:
1. The only people left playing are the hardcore
2. people continually level up their game


so to say people on bedlam 15 years ago were better than the current competition of uth2 seems a little far fetched to me.

playfull wrote:Now I ain't never played on Bedlam

but here is one thing I can say regarding Uth 2.

The level of skill and competition has gone up since the beginning of this server. The meta has been ever changing even on this server with patch 1.65 being 15 years old or whatever.

I think thats because:
1. The only people left playing are the hardcore
2. people continually level up their game


so to say people on bedlam 15 years ago were better than the current competition of uth2 seems a little far fetched to me.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't he talking about Bedlam the guild, that originated from Iseult and was the first guild to get an RR10 (Skald) on NA?

oh I don't know- maybe he is xD

I assumed it was a server lols

He is....:O

Freudinio wrote:Here, I see people talk big. While dodging the top tier groups, chasing soloers through several zones etc. It really pushes my buttons, man.
Sorry!

Hey, in 6 days you will be Vakten for a whole year, should we make a cake ?

Llaw wrote:

playfull wrote:Now I ain't never played on Bedlam

but here is one thing I can say regarding Uth 2.

The level of skill and competition has gone up since the beginning of this server. The meta has been ever changing even on this server with patch 1.65 being 15 years old or whatever.

I think thats because:
1. The only people left playing are the hardcore
2. people continually level up their game


so to say people on bedlam 15 years ago were better than the current competition of uth2 seems a little far fetched to me.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't he talking about Bedlam the guild, that originated from Iseult and was the first guild to get an RR10 (Skald) on NA?

You are indeed correct.

Mitsunix wrote:

Freudinio wrote:Here, I see people talk big. While dodging the top tier groups, chasing soloers through several zones etc. It really pushes my buttons, man.
Sorry!

Hey, in 6 days you will be Vakten for a whole year, should we make a cake ?

Does muffins qualify? In that case, I think you should!

that is how it was on live back in the days. No endu and no disease, mezz or anything in grp window... I mean I drink a lot, but I never get how people forget so fast

Back in the day only Hib had endu

I enjoy when people who don't play Alb make patronizing cheerleader comments about how great all these different alb setups can be, while they themselves run 5 nat / 2 BD hilldive camp groups and care so much about relics that they abandon 8v8 to go get more.

Ensley03 wrote:I enjoy when people who don't play Alb make patronizing cheerleader comments about how great all these different alb setups can be, while they themselves run 5 nat / 2 BD hilldive camp groups and care so much about relics that they abandon 8v8 to go get more.

I´ve never seen a post make this much sense

Either way, TL;TR I see.. let me quote what I wrote about something I read here - "a nobody who wants to be a somebody by flaming bodies."

Aenea wrote:I read almost every post but never wrote a reply before. This is just too good to pass lol. Once in a while, we get this kind of wannabe 8men elitist ppl in Uthgard because they can't handle the pressure/fast paced gameplays/lots of utility casts on live server. Just like in OP's case. He appears when hibs hold 6 (all) relics and then quietly disappears once they lose it. He just wants to make as much as rps possible with those relics so he calls Albions cowards to stir something up. i guess it is "hib culture" to act like wannabe 8men grps but instead they outzerg Albion 3 to 1 in numbers for last couple weeks then cry about zerging. You can still kill 8men albion greys but i don't think you will be happy with rps.

Oh I´m mid btw, not hib . Also I´ve been very sceptical to Uthgard for a long time since I always assumed it was a roleplay server since I don´t see why else it would have 1-50 leveling in normal speed for a freeshard. I loved the ****** out of Instant 50 freeshards that only ran emain but they are gone now.
My friends decided to roll mid and Uthgard and I was desperate to play DAoC although I tried to convince them to not play midgard on a classic server and that live was probably more suitable for us since we want to be able to run small man and have fast fg vs fg action. So when u say can´t handle live and came here instead that is not even remotely true. I decided to try live now for the first time since 2010 and so far it seems awesome, I´m just really confused over all the new items and balance changes.
Don´t get me wrong though, I´m not trying to get people to quit Uthgard for live, I´m simply responding to your assumptions.
Also "wannabe 8 man elitist" what are you trying to say by this? That I´m a pretender who tries to make it and never made it or never was part of the elite groups? It´s very hard to respond to that without turning this into a brag post.

Uthgard staff is obviously doing a great job and they are delivering the classic DAoC experience totally free to everyone who wants it. Getting a freeshard to have over 1k players online at the same time during primetime in 2018 is amazing, ofc I had to try it and see if I could relive my awesome memories of roaming in RvR zones as an fg in DAoC. I´m guessing Uthgard has had play for the realm mentality for a long time but now that the alternative fast lvling / insta 50 servers are gone, several players who play the game for other reasons will drop in. The majority of players are still the play for the realm though. Although I don´t like taking keeps and hitting doors I know several other players do and therefore it must exist.
I will say this though, I´ve read the results of the Uthgard survey that was posted on reddit and it says that the majority wants the exping speed to be boosted and lot of players have written about the need to have a cure nearsight.

I wanted to make a separate post about balance in 1.65.
When I stopped playing DAoC in 2007-2010 or whatever I considered the balance in 8vs8 (labyrinth release and ~3-4 years after) to be:
1. Alb (This might surprise people but alb was able to make both great kite groups and a German 8vs8 group whos name I cant remember were also destroying everyone in the world with a "stick group" setup in early Ywain cluster. I did however have the impression that alb groups needed to be built to be either ultra defensive or ultra aggressive (puuuush), balanced playstyle was not their thing.)
2. Mid (Great for balanced group 2 banelords, 2 backline casters, 1 warrior) etc.
3. Hib (They felt very similar to mid but just worse, insta lul feels almost unnoticeable when u have ToA NF cast speed, pbt had much lower impact post ToA, stun on a backline caster was only good when hard pushing or to deal with BDs, light eld was still great but with cure NS it had a much lower impact and most hib setups had to run with just 1 cm)

Ok hib wasn´t highly underpowered but they def felt like the easiest realm to face as a mid player at least. They did have SoS and light tanks who could spec for slam however but NF SoS wasnt that amazing, speedwarp killed it.

When it comes to OF balance though, hib is completely fking crazy. First of they get some of the games best RAs: group purge, invisible twf, BAOD.
- Insta lul becomes waaaay better because resetting someones cast time when people cast slowly like in classic DAoC is obviously a lot stronger. Facing a bard in classic is a nightmare compared to TOA NF.
- Red NS on a high utility casters single nuke line
- Red pbt on a semi-tanky mid liner (optimal position to reach allies with pbt) who can get spec single heals.
- Running 2 cm characters in the setup becomes more reasonable because no MLs means u dont "have to have" 2 BLs and 1 bodyguard.
- Slam light tanks
- Insta AoE root druid (Ok this is probably not imbalanced at all I just hate facing it on INC as a pac healer sometimes)

They can also ditch their casters and just play the super durable strat with 2 bards, 2 druids, 1 warden, 3 light tanks.
Yes, I´m a wannabe hib in classic for sure. I loved playing bard and light eld on the classic insta 50 servers and I was so grumpy when I was late for the party and my friends had already selected mid for Uthgard.
And let´s not even talk about how freaking strong hib is in zerg fights / keep fights when animists are a thing in the game.
They are so powerful there that they alone make me wonder how the hell anyone can have any at all interest in the huge epic zerg battles.

As a final note, no we can´t take into consideration how people used to play 1.65 ~15 years ago when 1.65 was live. People had no freaking clue how to play 8vs8 back then. Caster groups didnt pre kite, NS in 8vs8 was barely ever used, people pbaoe specced their casters, positioning in fights were below all demands. Again about no cure nearsight, it was fine to not have because it wasnt being exploited anyway.