The cure is simple, stop keep taking do 8v8

Thank you all for weighing in.

The purpose of this post was to help the community reach a consensus that there is imbalance and a significant change needs to be made. Exactly what that imbalance is or what change needs to be made is for another discussion, but I can tell you right now that an extra 10% experience bonus to Hibernia based on low population isn't going to change the fact that Midgard has nearly DOUBLE the realm points of Albion despite near identical populations. The first step in fixing any problem is recognizing there is one, and I would argue that the majority of the community thinks there isn't one. How do I know this? Because everyone that thought there was a real problem grew tired of it and left the server. See "population". The server relies on people and as long as the people continue to ignore the cancer in the body the server will continue to wither. You can count on it.

I don't know if the solution is class balancing. I don't know if the solution is a realm point / experience bonus % based on X. I don't know if the solution is the famed "stop taking keeps, start 8 man" (funny that comment seems to always come from a Mid, while Mid literally owns the world). I don't know if the solution is one (two?) of the top 4 / 5 active and strongest guilds leaving Midgard and joining another realm. I don't know if the problem is something the Devs can fix. It might be an attitude adjustment from the community. One that says, "I love DAoC more than Midgard, and since Midgard is clearly dominating I'm going to play a different realm so that Uthgard thrives and I can continue playing DAoC at all".

Spacebrah wrote:Thank you all for weighing in.

The purpose of this post was to help the community reach a consensus that there is imbalance and a significant change needs to be made. Exactly what that imbalance is or what change needs to be made is for another discussion, but I can tell you right now that an extra 10% experience bonus to Hibernia based on low population isn't going to change the fact that Midgard has nearly DOUBLE the realm points of Albion despite near identical populations. The first step in fixing any problem is recognizing there is one, and I would argue that the majority of the community thinks there isn't one. How do I know this? Because everyone that thought there was a real problem grew tired of it and left the server. See "population". The server relies on people and as long as the people continue to ignore the cancer in the body the server will continue to wither. You can count on it.

I don't know if the solution is class balancing. I don't know if the solution is a realm point / experience bonus % based on X. I don't know if the solution is the famed "stop taking keeps, start 8 man" (funny that comment seems to always come from a Mid, while Mid literally owns the world). I don't know if the solution is one (two?) of the top 4 / 5 active and strongest guilds leaving Midgard and joining another realm. I don't know if the problem is something the Devs can fix. It might be an attitude adjustment from the community. One that says, "I love DAoC more than Midgard, and since Midgard is clearly dominating I'm going to play a different realm so that Uthgard thrives and I can continue playing DAoC at all".

Why should we regulate this? You do understand that the world itself is not balanced, right? Things go up and down all the time, it translates to DAOC as well. The answer is hmmmm, people actually trying to fight players and getting used to it + stop whining. We can't ask some government like authority to regulate things every time we perceive them to be unfair or whatever, we need to fix it ourselves. In my opinion, 8v8 and solo are the fairest/purest ways of playing this game, because the playing field is the most leveled and win or lose you rely on your skill and your team's skill and you get a sense of real victory or a fair loss. Smallman is ok but hmmm, a gray area because not all realms are equally strong as for example a group of 4 and well good luck finding 4v4 or 5v5 fights, your smallman roaming will mostly consist of killing duos and solos. Zerg is ok and it has its place, I'm definitely not against it but it's still not clear to me how the hell does an alb zerg die to a mid tank group, even inside the keep. Few days ago they wiped Romu's 3fg with 2 skalds in group and a few very low rrs, it was as joke. Problem with zergs is that it's hard to coordinate them and if you lose then you feel like no matter how well you've played, you relied too much on others and well if you win you also don't get a clear feeling of achievement.

We do have a huge problem when at prime time there are days when you see all 3 realms taking keeps in 3 different zones and nobody is fighting nobody until Romu hits a claimed keep, then Mids suicide fast and try to hunt him down. I think the population is the biggest problem, we have way too many people who never played uthgard1 and came straight from genesis and also a bunch of whiners who didn't play the game in 15 years and want their keep take simulator with no inc. Uthgard1 had a lot of elitism and rivalries but even during the lowest population times, you could find action. And well, patch level and new RAs helped a lot too.

Win or lose, Mids come out every night and it's been like that for as long as I can remember, even when other realms had relics. It is what it is, people are whiny and don't want to participate in normal RvR, most of the stable population has moved on and it's either gonna take a lot of time or a miracle to get this server anywhere close to what uth1 was. We'll see how it goes, a good Alb 8man has been roaming every day, Hexagone and BTL seem to try some 8v8 lately so maybe more people will actually try to fight players with approx the same number, and not just RP whoring or trying to do so with zergs.

Valfar wrote:Why should we regulate this? You do understand that the world itself is not balanced, right? Things go up and down all the time, it translates to DAOC as well.

You do understand death is part of the way the world works, right? Would you then argue that we shouldn't treat life-threatening illnesses like cancer? Of course not.

My argument is not that we should balance for balance's sake. It's that if we want this server to thrive and have a significant population then we need to correct something that is driving people away. If we are OK with the server dying, no change needs to be made.

Again, if you don't think this is an issue, see: "population". If you don't think population is an issue then we may need to agree to disagree.

Valfar wrote:We can't ask some government like authority to regulate things every time we perceive them to be unfair or whatever, we need to fix it ourselves.

This statement trivializes the problem. "Every time we perceive them to be unfair" ... this isn't a fleeting issue. Its sustained, and substantial. Please reread my list of ways in which Midgard dominates the server, it's not short. Still don't agree or care? See: "population". On the note of asking the authority to correct the problem, see my prior statement below:

Spacebrah wrote:I don't know if the problem is something the Devs can fix. It might be an attitude adjustment from the community. One that says, "I love DAoC more than Midgard, and since Midgard is clearly dominating I'm going to play a different realm so that Uthgard thrives and I can continue playing DAoC at all".

Valfar wrote:Win or lose, Mids come out every night and it's been like that for as long as I can remember, even when other realms had relics. It is what it is, people are whiny and don't want to participate in normal RvR, most of the stable population has moved on and it's either gonna take a lot of time or a miracle to get this server anywhere close to what uth1 was. We'll see how it goes, a good Alb 8man has been roaming every day, Hexagone and BTL seem to try some 8v8 lately so maybe more people will actually try to fight players with approx the same number, and not just RP whoring or trying to do so with zergs.

Now imagine if some of the strongest and most active guilds (4 / 5 are on Midgard) switched realms..

Why should anyone switch realms in favor of some imaginary balance that someone with commie SJW mentality wants to forcefully impose? How about just let things happen? I'll always play Mid because I like it and most of my friends play here. I can't stand lurikeens and I also can't stand Camelot. Both Alb and Hib are stronger at this patch level and with old RAs, it's not anybody's fault but theirs that they're not out fighting players. Don't twist my arguments, I see what you're doing and it's all just "I'm not winning, world is not fair, everything should be super duper balanced and if it can't be balanced naturally, we'll have the government do it"....classic commie crap, gtfo.

Valfar wrote:Why should anyone switch realms in favor of some imaginary balance that someone with commie SJW mentality wants to forcefully impose? How about just let things happen? I'll always play Mid because I like it and most of my friends play here. I can't stand lurikeens and I also can't stand Camelot. Both Alb and Hib are stronger at this patch level and with old RAs, it's not anybody's fault but theirs that they're not out fighting players. Don't twist my arguments, I see what you're doing and it's all just "I'm not winning, world is not fair, everything should be super duper balanced and if it can't be balanced naturally, we'll have the government do it"....classic commie crap, gtfo.

^^ Exactly whats wrong with server and why others are leaving for he who shall not be named's server

Roby5869 wrote:The cure is simple, stop keep taking do 8v8

From the Herald not more than 1 minute ago:

Dun Bolg has been captured by the forces of Midgard 13 mins
Caer Caledonia has been captured by the forces of Hibernia led by Stichler 25 mins
Dun Ailinne has been captured by the forces of Hibernia led by Aerlinn 1 hour
Caer Renaris has been captured by the forces of Midgard led by Sania 1 hour
Caer Hurbury has been captured by the forces of Midgard led by Havic 1 hour
Dun Crimthainn has been captured by the forces of Midgard 1 hour
Caer Benowyc has been captured by the forces of Midgard led by Havic 1 hour

... and of the 2 non-Mid takes, one was in a BG...

Roby5869 wrote:The cure is simple, stop keep taking do 8v8

we stop playing now, no one out for 8vs8, thank for the one fight were u have been a 8 man.

Roby5869 wrote:The cure is simple, stop keep taking do 8v8

ROFL. Stop adding and zerging first.

Its no problem for me if you tards f*ck us each day as 12 or 16 slot. But dont talk about 8vs8 !

Valfar wrote:Why should anyone switch realms in favor of some imaginary balance that someone with commie SJW mentality wants to forcefully impose? How about just let things happen? I'll always play Mid because I like it and most of my friends play here. I can't stand lurikeens and I also can't stand Camelot. Both Alb and Hib are stronger at this patch level and with old RAs, it's not anybody's fault but theirs that they're not out fighting players. Don't twist my arguments, I see what you're doing and it's all just "I'm not winning, world is not fair, everything should be super duper balanced and if it can't be balanced naturally, we'll have the government do it"....classic commie crap, gtfo.

You base your reasoning on nothing but opinions.

Alb Hib are stronger is nothing but an opinion, formed in a "Paper DaoC" world.

Fact 1:
40% of people joined Midgard on Launch.

Fact 2:
Mids hold 40% of the total rps earned since launch.

Fact 3:
Mids have had 50% of the weekly rps for almost 3 months, with 1 week being the exception where Hib held equal to Mids.

Fact 4:
Top 8 player RP's are Mids.

Fact 5:
Humans are in general Risk Averse.


When I combine it all, I do not get a picture of Alb/Hib being stronger realm, I get a picture of most people picking the easy realm, and staying there.

Please present me with some facts, instead of your "Paper DaoC" opinions, and stop presenting Alb/Hibs as some spoiled socialist brats who wants everything on a silver plate. This guild beating mids, and that guild beating mids has nothing to do with facts, it's circumstances that clearly deviate from reality.

Your main problem is that your privilige is not knowing you are priviliged.

And further more, if you consider the immense loyalty Mids claim to have, boosting hib/alb would not diminish the Mid RvR population, but might boost the alb/Hib one.

And if Mids have 50% of the RvR activity (as in weekly rps), and the normal Euro population is 300, we can make the rough assumption 150 are mids.
So if bonuses to alb/hib made them RvR as much as Mids (33% each = 150 each), considering Mid numbers to be constant (due to the MidLoyalty), then the server would see an increase of population by 150 players, which would be very nice, right?

And we all know many left due to lack of RvR activity, so boosting albs/hibs would likely be a major boost to the population.

This of course would all fall apart if Mids just switched to the other realms, but the MidLoyalty would make sure they didn't.

Spivo wrote:

Valfar wrote:Why should anyone switch realms in favor of some imaginary balance that someone with commie SJW mentality wants to forcefully impose? How about just let things happen? I'll always play Mid because I like it and most of my friends play here. I can't stand lurikeens and I also can't stand Camelot. Both Alb and Hib are stronger at this patch level and with old RAs, it's not anybody's fault but theirs that they're not out fighting players. Don't twist my arguments, I see what you're doing and it's all just "I'm not winning, world is not fair, everything should be super duper balanced and if it can't be balanced naturally, we'll have the government do it"....classic commie crap, gtfo.

You base your reasoning on nothing but opinions.

Alb Hib are stronger is nothing but an opinion, formed in a "Paper DaoC" world.

Fact 1:
40% of people joined Midgard on Launch.

Fact 2:
Mids hold 40% of the total rps earned since launch.

Fact 3:
Mids have had 50% of the weekly rps for almost 3 months, with 1 week being the exception where Hib held equal to Mids.

Fact 4:
Top 8 player RP's are Mids.

Fact 5:
Humans are in general Risk Averse.


When I combine it all, I do not get a picture of Alb/Hib being stronger realm, I get a picture of most people picking the easy realm, and staying there.

Please present me with some facts, instead of your "Paper DaoC" opinions, and stop presenting Alb/Hibs as some spoiled socialist brats who wants everything on a silver plate. This guild beating mids, and that guild beating mids has nothing to do with facts, it's circumstances that clearly deviate from reality.

Your main problem is that your privilige is not knowing you are priviliged.

I'm not religious, but if you can't understand why Mid is ability wise the weakest realm on this patch level and with old RAs, then God help you because nobody else can. I'm not gonna explain the obvious and it has absolutely nothing to do with "paper daoc".

Valfar wrote:I'm not religious, but if you can't understand why Mid is ability wise the weakest realm on this patch level and with old RAs, then God help you because nobody else can. I'm not gonna explain the obvious and it has absolutely nothing to do with "paper daoc".

Okay, you totally convinced me with your amazing argument.
Lets ignore facts and just rely on opinions, I can simply not see how that can fail.

And you making a religion comment is so ironic, not sure if you can see the irony.

Valfar took the blue pill.

I really would like to not resort to much to ridicule, but it does become hard when the "opposing side" uses derogatory terms like "commie" and think "if you can't understand <insert non-fact based opinion>" somehow resembles an argument.