Just look at the server statistics and you will see that it is not a mentality thing, but game design.

Icp wrote:hi, i dont had read the whole thread, only for the title my opinion: i dont have a problem to die on a evening for 10 times..its a incentive to play better and think about tactics to beat the enemy somehow....sure, its useless to run with 2 fg hibs against 3fg mids with rr7/8/9/10 but if the numbers are mostly the same there is a chance to kill some if all utilities of hibernia are used....look at these castergang from alb with kabalix, they killed flump-grp sometimes in 1:1 if i noticed that correct.

Ofc Guild G.P.A. is a good caster group 8v8 oriented, they play alb classes very well and are hard to fight. We as Reallydirty fixed group try to run everytime is possible with the same ppl and are used to play together, hence we are atm the only mid group able to beat them. RR situation doesn't matter as much as playing together from a long time.
Lately relic situation changed and i'm glad it did, more fun in RvR and more people logging in (expecially from hibernia) and it's not true like Satiah said "that we can take them back whenever we want", we have to fight hard to get them back, but if you look at the weekly RPs situation it has not changed a bit: http://herald.uthgard.net/herald.php?view=statistics still Mid leads the week. So all this chit chat about unbalance was not true.
Unluckly the mechanics of this server and of Daoc are these and if you don't know how to counter them or how to use them at your advantage can't be blamed on the devs only. I mean one realm could have all 6 relics but still anyone could take advantage of some mechanics and together with skills avoid the complication of what you call an unbalance.

Roby5869 wrote:

Icp wrote:hi, i dont had read the whole thread, only for the title my opinion: i dont have a problem to die on a evening for 10 times..its a incentive to play better and think about tactics to beat the enemy somehow....sure, its useless to run with 2 fg hibs against 3fg mids with rr7/8/9/10 but if the numbers are mostly the same there is a chance to kill some if all utilities of hibernia are used....look at these castergang from alb with kabalix, they killed flump-grp sometimes in 1:1 if i noticed that correct.

it's not true like Satiah said "that we can take them back whenever we want"

Really?

Question:

Mids have relics: Albs and Hibs try to take them.

Albs have Strengh relic and Hibs have Power relics, of course Mids try to take them back, BUT:
Why Albs NEVER take Hibs relics and why Hibs NEVER take albs relics?

Answer: Alb and Hib ALWAYS play together against Mid and are ALWAYS the first to whine against Mids.

Not a question of imbalance, just a question of mentality.

Wakanidoo wrote:Question:

Mids have relics: Albs and Hibs try to take them.

Albs have Strengh relic and Hibs have Power relics, of course Mids try to take them back, BUT:
Why Albs NEVER take Hibs relics and why Hibs NEVER take albs relics?

Answer: Alb and Hib ALWAYS play together against Mid and are ALWAYS the first to whine against Mids.

Not a question of imbalance, just a question of mentality.

There is a good point. But its not a "mentality" thing.. but they apparently need them to go out and play
So let them all have it. Haha, Its a win for us anyhow so

Wakanidoo wrote:Question:

Mids have relics: Albs and Hibs try to take them.

Albs have Strengh relic and Hibs have Power relics, of course Mids try to take them back, BUT:
Why Albs NEVER take Hibs relics and why Hibs NEVER take albs relics?

Answer: Alb and Hib ALWAYS play together against Mid and are ALWAYS the first to whine against Mids.

Not a question of imbalance, just a question of mentality.

It's fairly simple from an ALB perspective. It is not possible to defend power relics due to their geographic placement. Excal is the only option

Should be only possible to hold 3 relics max and able to hold them in what relic keep you like

fremster wrote:

Wakanidoo wrote:Question:
Not a question of imbalance, just a question of mentality.

It's fairly simple from an ALB perspective. It is not possible to defend power relics due to their geographic placement. Excal is the only option

it is a mentality issue if you think keep placement can make a difference! Just run faster.

To defend power relic in Albion you need a porter in housing to Snowdonia, and you're set. But still, getting there is a pain in the ass. So, power relic in albion is nice, but a pain to hold.

silenced wrote:To defend power relic in Albion you need a porter in housing to Snowdonia, and you're set. But still, getting there is a pain in the ass. So, power relic in albion is nice, but a pain to hold.

Not only that, but its practically impossible to defend based on the current "player/quality propotions".
Take the scenario the other night, 3FGM roaming around excal, with 4FGA inside excal waiting to defend. The mids could easily have moved to Snow (if Albs had the relic) and there would be nothing they could do. Better to focus on Excal and holding the str relics.

fremster wrote:

silenced wrote:To defend power relic in Albion you need a porter in housing to Snowdonia, and you're set. But still, getting there is a pain in the ass. So, power relic in albion is nice, but a pain to hold.

Not only that, but its practically impossible to defend based on the current "player/quality propotions".
Take the scenario the other night, 3FGM roaming around excal, with 4FGA inside excal waiting to defend. The mids could easily have moved to Snow (if Albs had the relic) and there would be nothing they could do. Better to focus on Excal and holding the str relics.

Mids prolly hade 3fg "on the side" aswell. They can attack 2 relic keeps at one time if they like. Pretty sure something like that happend last week in Albion.

Satiah wrote:Mids prolly hade 3fg "on the side" aswell. They can attack 2 relic keeps at one time if they like. Pretty sure something like that happend last week in Albion.

There enough albs each day out too. The difference is, mid zerg run with 2-x strong tank pugs inside. Alb-zerg with random groups (first accept win group invite) and a lot of low lvl toons. That never will work and feed only the enemies. Other problem, standard Alb setup is caster-debuff on single targets. Works well openfield but sucks hard lordfight because no caster have los, shaman disease or Eld/Enchbomb rupting alltime. Pointless vs shrooms.

Just my opinion.

Satiah wrote:
Mids prolly hade 3fg "on the side" aswell. They can attack 2 relic keeps at one time if they like. Pretty sure something like that happend last week in Albion.

Few weeks ago we tried to go Snowdonia to pull you out of Excalibur but once there we noticed you had inner doors open and since we had some SB in group we took it and off we went in the night

The "3 fgm on the side" as you say are from the German alliance and they mostly don't run with us.

Wakanidoo wrote:...
Why Albs NEVER take Hibs relics and why Hibs NEVER take albs relics?

Answer: Alb and Hib ALWAYS play together....

Because hib need and want mana relics, and we can't defend them (need 20mn to go myrrd, full of yellow mob agro and attacking can intercept anyone who try to enter, we didn't repair doors anymore, we dont want mana relics...) If hib take strengh relic it will be different and we will spend all our energy & time to take them back ^^

But you are right on one point, hard to defend beno so we gave the mission to hib, and every day mid is humiliated at beno, and die in mushrooms flood for joy of all

(we give mana relic to hib every night but communication is bad, and sometimes they are too busy to take it :p)

F.


(once again hibs didn't reveived the message,our allies maybe not so friendly :p even jaond (no merit) understood lol, so its should easy for hib ^^ the only safe place for mana relic is dagda ! they will not stay more 24H elsewhere )

You can tell what you want.
Uthgards staff seems quited, no more care for the server, which got smashed by a new freeshard again.

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