Forum2 Acc Rp farming
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Not a big fan of this keep trading, but it's the reality of the server and there is no point complaining about it. I think it originally started that one summer when population was insanely low, and Oceadia was trading keeps with Guardians of light all the time. It was their way of getting rps while the population was super low. Mind you, they'd have gotten more rps and they'd have had more fun if they had just decided to fight each other, and would not have wasted time on ramming the doors for hours upon hours, but that's a personal choice and I respect it. However, now the population is high enough and many of the high rrs seem to be content with taking lvl 1 keeps, so I guess it is what it is. Maybe keep taking is fun for them, they have some laughs on discord and what not. If that's the case, cool. Although, if people enjoy this kind of stuff, why not make their own DoL server or something and have keeps reset every 3 hours or whatever and just take them all day long, I guess it would be a much more enjoyable experience. The fact that I'm dead serious while saying this and that I'm not sarcastic kinda shows the state of this server. Again, it's not gonna change so I guess people just need to find fun where they can, if they can. It is what it is, can't be helped atm  .It is what it is.
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Some players say they want competitive open field fights. But in practice all of them always go to the same realm (Hibernia or Midgard mostly) and only hunt casual Albion keep takers twice a week or more.
Last week a battlegroup of 21+ Hibernians took Albion keeps. If those players that want open field group fights went to different realms they could have as many fights as they want. I think consciously and subconsciously they do not want to play or compete against their friends. They think it is more fun to play with each other, take keeps and kill Albion keep takers. This is fine but I think it would be healthier to be honest about it instead of all the complaining, negativity, hostility and animosity towards the casual players that they keep fighting (and often killing).  |
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My suggestion is to collect a lot evidence and describe what rules are being broken objectively. Then send a report to Abydos or someone else.
A thread of speculations, rumors, gossip and slander is not the best thing to do. |
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I can't agree more. What you wrote is really true. |
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Hello,
that this player upgrades doors a lot is out of the question. It has been seen and confirmed by several parties. I have pics of Hurb, Surs and Berk from him. Only Abydos can check whether it is a dual login. Yes, it would be better if all 3 realms were populated and everyone could participate in RvR, but the server would need a higher population for that. If the Hibernia players split up we have the same problem again and Albion dominates in RVR again. It is usually the case that people change together in order to always be able to actively participate in the RVR. Many are experienced and know what to do. I've had times on Hibernia where I was alone or just 3 people. It is then not possible to build a group or do anything. Most of the time I logged out. I like Daoc very much also Uthgard and it would be a shame if the server died. |
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Lol. It is what it is.
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Good morning,
I find it beyond ridiculous to accuse the Hibs of taking keeps with 21 people. We currently have a Fg in the EU prime time and in the Na time there are also many active on Hibernia. If Albion invades a realm with 3Fg+ and captures keeps, that's ok. As soon as Deffer are there, it's just a Fg is dodged and level 1 keeps are obtained. We also go with just one Fg+ level 8 keeps it's tough but doable. Everything else (level1 keeps without deff) is PvE for Rp for me. Most of the players who are currently in Hibernia are looking for the open fights, it's more fun. I still remember the times when we ran 100 meters out of leagues and lay in the dirt, many greetings to Flump and co. RvR actually only takes place 2 days a week. Many take the time to log onto Uthgard these days. You also have an Rl, family, work and co. |
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No point in discussing things, mate. People should do what they want. I have no problem with anyone taking level 1 keeps, as long as they're not cheating like RP farming and such. And it's also our right to try and hunt them down to create some inc. As for mid vs hib inc, it's impossible cause there are way too few of us online at the same time to make it a regular thing worth realm switching. On most days not all of us are online at the same time and the last time we were able to do this was like 2 years ago or something. Someone is always missing for some reason, others take a break cause some new game is out etc. Like I said, as long as people are not cheating I could not care less what their playstyle is. I might get annoyed by it from time to time, but it's ok if they're annoyed with us too, no hard feelings anyway. It is what it is. Uthgard is uthgard. It is what it is.
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When Hibernians took Albion keeps last week the guardian kill message was 21 enemy players on Benowyc, 21 on Hurbury and 20 on Berkstead. That is where I got that number from. The players who say that they want to do small group or full group open field action could if they wanted to. I think it is an active choice that they go after keep takers instead and that is fine. But their contempt towards the keep takers is unnecessary. |
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Well, server population increase recently hasn't really come from more players in Albion and claimed keep-messages tell us you're running around with at least 19 people while we also only have like 20-22 players.
Which is simply not true - maybe on monday evenings, but Albs also don't have remotely close to 3+ groups on those days. During tuesday/friday evenings, Albion manage to have about two and a half groups, not 3+
What you don't realize: It's more fun for Hibs, but not for Albs! Hibs have - by design - stronger groups, since as soon as you have the basic setup of a viable group, you have a bunch of other important abilities too. While it doesn't even make any sense for a Hib group to even enter the frontiers without a bard, as soon as you got a bard you got a perfect foundation with a lot of abilities that are simply lacking in Albion, for a number of reasons. Often we don't even have minstrels for all groups, sorcs are also rare and endurance chant/potions are even rarer. While Hibs and Mids usually use speed 6 and can pick their fights - and pick only those they know they can win - Albs rarely and never on zerg evenings have that luxury. And then you have the animists, which are extraordinarily strong during keep defenses, keep attacks (shrooms in windows of the main tower, hooray) and also open fights. It's not much fun when you get (insta-) mezzed from at least two directions and when/if you purge that, you get tangled anyways. Animists are a big multiplier of strength and make one group feel like two groups - which is made worse when current server population has an equal amount of Hibs to Albs and sometimes even more Hibs. Attacking a defended lvl 8 keep with a full group of Hibs and a bunch of animists is very (!) hard and if it's even more Hibs, it's suicide to attack. But we get mocked for "dodging fights", while Hibs (and Mids) only pick those fights they know they can win, either by speed-6-ing away until they're at a place they can shroom up at or simply run into a lvl 8 keep and they rarely attack defended keeps, happily sitting all evening in a lvl 10 keep and waiting for the zerg to show up. If the zerg instead waited in Beno for you, nothing would happen! And numbers can't even be compared between realms! 1. Hibs can build stronger groups and it's more likely to have a good foundation in Hib than in Alb 2. To be honest: Alb players in a Romu zerg are different from those Hibs defending! Alb has a way higher number of "sunday drivers", players that only log in for those evenings and who play mostly for fun and classes that they want to play, not those that are needed! I mean, it's even obvious from the constant realm switching from Hib to Mid to Hib etc, while the Alb population stays pretty much the same, with few people switching to or visiting from other realms. A large percentage of Albs doesn't really care if the grass is greener (or whiter) somewhere else and will stay in Albion until this server eventually shuts down. And: It shows! I bet that the average Hib/Mid (they're mostly the same people anways, just different weeks of the year) is way more focused on success in RvR and playing well. I don't really want to blame them and won't name names, but the percentage of people using Teamspeak (It' funny that Valfar mentioned Albs having a laugh on Discord, proving that he has absolutely no clue about Albion) on Romu nights is way lower than it needs to be and then there are some people who probably don't even read the friggin battlegroup chat. And Assisting... Well, there's a reason Albs have a tendency to be stronger in open fights when there's just one or maybe one and a half group of them than when there's two and a half groups - 80+ percent are in TS, mezzes don't get broken by Leeroy Jenkins-style AoEing and people carry and use invig potions! (And people tend to play classes that are actually usefull in those situations, to begin with). Leading a Romu zerg (even when it's not actually Romu that is leading, like Gremon or occasionally me) is like herding cats (or "einen Sack Flöhe hüten" for the Germans in here) and you can't apply your "I want open fights because those allow me to express my skills as a class X" mindset on the majority of Albs! That's also displayed by the regular appearance of a lvl 50 group of Hibs/Mids in Darkness Falls (taking Claret just for that) or the RvR-dungeons/SH on Thursdays, when (as everybody knows) Albs are xping. We're just trying to have some fun, with no toon much higher than RR2 and lots of people below lvl 40. And suddenly - but not unexpectedly - the team of friggin Bayern München shows up on the football/soccer field, to show that amateur team how incredibly strong they are. Wow, we're impressed by your power and applaud your heroic skill of "über ne Gruppe 40er drüberrubbeln". This alone exemplifies the differences between Albs and non-Albs and why it's very tone-deaf to complain about dodging fights, large numbers of players etc. While a large number of Albs see this game as an Online-RPG, you guys see it as friggin Counter-Strike, rejecting even the MMO-part of the PvP in this MMORPG. Last edited by Shenyen on Jul 28, 2023 12:30, edited 1 time in total.
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Shenyen said it very acurately.
Albs are often embarassing amateur hour, and you'll often see the few great Alb players leave the BG in frustration. Super nice people, very open and always keeping up the spirit. Romu will also go for keeps that he knows albs are unlikely to take (as Shenyen said, 1 animist means claimed keeps are frustratingly hard to take, no other class is such a siege multiplier), and after a wipe, he'll go out and try again, up and until it's bed time for albs. I wish people would applaud him for that, rather than complain he doesn't do what people think he should be doing. I think this whole discusion is sad, because it does nothing to encourage people to come out and play. Albion and having fun
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Once again,
the thread is there to stop this unnecessary upgrading of the doors. I checked the Hib Keeps in Alb again this morning, they were upgraded to level 6 again. For me, Rp farming is at its finest, I've always had respect for someone honestly earning their Rr. But they are no longer worth anything. There is no question that animists are very strong in keepdef. Openfield sees it differently. I hardly ever play Anmist in RvR anymore, only when I'm supposed to log it because it's needed. I won't disclose our tactics on Romudays, but we are well organized at the moment and many just log in there. This will also change again to your arts. Sh and Df belong to RvR territory as far as I know, so it's legit to kill others there. But ask respect how often he kills us while leveling farms, there are others from Albion who do that (no accusation but fact). You can't accuse anyone of winning a fight or taking a keep if someone controls their character and knows what to do. With us, not everyone runs with the character they want to play, we build meaningful groups. When you do rvr, don't you want to get rp and have exciting battles? Getting Keep is boring in the long run, at least for us. Yes, we also get level 1 keeps, why not, but we don't want to get anything for free. I have to agree with valfar, if someone wants to do something like this in peace, they should open their own server. You're running against dull-acting generated bots, does that satisfy you? We also don't do PvE at times or days when many of us are online. We'd rather do RvR or hit the high keeps. Sorry for the bad English or translation, I have to work with Translator. Unfortunately, not everything is translated as I write it in German. With the 21 people it was about Albion also taking keeps with 3 Fg. |
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Your english is fine, and no matter what, there's no reason to apologize unless you start correcting other peoples english  Anyway... DaoC is a PvP game, and it creates very risk-averse people. If I kill someone 1v1, there is a higher chance they'll bring buddy to fight me, than come back out solo, it's just how things are. Well, maybe unless the fight was very close. If albs are used to loosing to hibs when fighting them (and that is a general trend), they'll either bring more, or not fight them. I don't really think the keep gate upgrading discussion is constructive, but I acknowledge it may be frustrating for some and also why, I just don't agree. But disagreeing is not a bad thing Albion and having fun
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Upgrading is ok if actual groups do it after they take keeps and "return the favor" so to speak. But if you know it's a dual-logged alb player who does it, then it's a bit weird. Anyhow, can't be helped so who cares. It is what it is, Sir .It is what it is.
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